What I Expect on Offense

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Of course, like everyone else, I have no way of knowing exactly what to expect from the new offense. There are, however, a few things that seem fairly certain to me.

People have been criticizing DJ. My thought is this reaction is way too early. Let’s see how things go when he’s transformed into a receiver. Other changes I’ll cover below will also enhance his performance running from scrimmage.


Next expect a change to rapid play, mostly no huddle. Defensive lines will have trouble getting set and the defenses will be hard pressed to make substitutions. The first few games will likely feature quite a bit of defensive confusion. This will make running easier as gaps will go unfilled. Of course this speed will make shutting down the passing game more difficult as well.


I think Cardinal offensive substitutions may be less frequent than people expect. I expect 4 passing targets on virtually every play. DJ’s ability to easily slide into a route will be huge. He could be moved to the slot or even split out. Again this will stress basic defensive alignments and create mismatches. We will even see 5 target packages but maybe not as often as some expect.


There will certainly be RPOs, but I think they’ll look different from college. I expect them to avoid running Murray up the middle. You might see a QB draw but only near the goal line. The RPOs will move Murray outside. This accomplishes 2 things. First it limits Murray’s exposure to injury. This also takes advantage of Murray’s ability to throw on the run.


I’ve been writing about preseason blitz handling and the absence of hot routes. I’ve decided the only way that makes sense is if the formations and plays will contain automatic hot routes. One receiver pattern may include a slant that the QB throws if a blitz comes. I also anticipate wide receiver screens will also be used to control blitzes as well as more typical RB screens. To get DJ outside they may well incorporate swing passes and toss plays to compensate for a less than athletic line and slow the rush. Jet sweeps will become regular events. Of course with Murray’s speed simply rolling him out creates major issues for defenses. The bottom line is the hot routes are probably a part of typical plays and vary by the blitz formation. Likely options will take some time to be smooth but this seamless approach fits well with the desired speed.


Overall I expect to see frequent crossing routes. Multiple receiver sets will likely use at least one deep route which will often be a decoy to spread the field. More often than not I expect short passes and a focus on YAC. The routes will separate the receivers, isolating the defenders. Will it work? I’m not sure but I’m confident it will be fun to watch.
 
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Ultimately what they are running in preseason is indeed part of their offense, but it just isn't dressed anywhere near as much as it will be come week 1. Going no huddle is going to wreak havoc on defenses as they won't be able to substitute and KM will have plenty of time to diagnose what the defense is showing and making the proper adjustments before the snap.
 

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one thing i noticed: very little pre snap motion or formation shifting

there is some putting a guy in motion to see if he is followed or not, but they pretty much line up and go
 

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Of course, like everyone else, I have no way of knowing exactly what to expect from the new offense. There are, however, a few things that seem fairly certain to me.

People have been criticizing DJ. My thought is this reaction is way too early. Let’s see how things go when he’s transformed into a receiver. Other changes I’ll cover below will also enhance his performance running from scrimmage.


Next expect a change to rapid play, mostly no huddle. Defensive lines will have trouble getting set and the defenses will be hard pressed to make substitutions. The first few games will likely feature quite a bit of defensive confusion. This will make running easier as gaps will go unfilled. Of course this speed will make shutting down the passing game more difficult as well.


I think Cardinal offensive substitutions may be less frequent than people expect. I expect 4 passing targets on virtually every play. DJ’s ability to easily slide into a route will be huge. He could be moved to the slot or even split out. Again this will stress basic defensive alignments and create mismatches. We will even see 5 target packages but maybe not as often as some expect.


There will certainly be RPOs, but I think they’ll look different from college. I expect them to avoid running Murray up the middle. You might see a QB draw but only near the goal line. The RPOs will move Murray outside. This accomplishes 2 things. First it limits Murray’s exposure to injury. This also takes advantage of Murray’s ability to throw on the run.


I’ve been writing about preseason blitz handling and the absence of hot routes. I’ve decided the only way that makes sense is if the formations and plays will contain automatic hot routes. One receiver pattern may include a slant that the QB throws if a blitz comes. I also anticipate wide receiver screens will also be used to control blitzes as well as more typical RB screens. To get DJ outside they may well incorporate swing passes and toss plays to compensate for a less than athletic line and slow the rush. Jet sweeps will become regular events. Of course with Murray’s speed simply rolling him out creates major issues for defenses. The bottom line is the hot routes are probably a part of typical plays and vary by the blitz formation. Likely options will take some time to be smooth but this seamless approach fits well with the desired speed.


Overall I expect to see frequent crossing routes. Multiple receiver sets will likely use at least one deep route which will often be a decoy to spread the field. More often than not I expect short passes and a focus on YAC. The routes will separate the receivers, isolating the defenders. Will it work? I’m not sure but I’m confident it will be fun to watch.

This 1000% We havent seen anything close to this in Preaeason.
 

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What is your estimate for avg points per game scored by Cardinals?

I say 27 a game at first and then let me see how teams adjust and we adjust to that. I say we win 9 games with 3 Toss up ganes that can make us anywhere between 7-9 or 10 -6. Murray is a rare talent. He has a cannon for an arm. he is quick as a cat. And I say we throw quite a few deep balls mixed with short passes to DJ.
Talent isnt as important sometimes as scheme is. Boise State use to beat the big dogs with less talent but an incredible scheme.
The key this year will be the defense. If we can pressure the QB....the secondary wont matter as much. If the QB has all day to the throw we will struggle.
 

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But remember Chandler Jones has led the NFL in sacks last 3 years. Suggs will help. Scheme will have to require good blitzes
 

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This 1000% We havent seen anything close to this in Preaeason.

I'm excited too Cards Campos. At first, I was worried that K2 would trot out something really hokie. You know, some kind of weird no-huddle thing that would last about two and half games before it completely crashed and burned, while the whole league laughed at us.

But I'm starting to get the feeling it will be fairly sophisticated, and not too over the top/gimmicky. Also, that we'll enough horsepower to make it go.
 

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Of course, like everyone else, I have no way of knowing exactly what to expect from the new offense. There are, however, a few things that seem fairly certain to me.

People have been criticizing DJ. My thought is this reaction is way too early. Let’s see how things go when he’s transformed into a receiver. Other changes I’ll cover below will also enhance his performance running from scrimmage.


Next expect a change to rapid play, mostly no huddle. Defensive lines will have trouble getting set and the defenses will be hard pressed to make substitutions. The first few games will likely feature quite a bit of defensive confusion. This will make running easier as gaps will go unfilled. Of course this speed will make shutting down the passing game more difficult as well.


I think Cardinal offensive substitutions may be less frequent than people expect. I expect 4 passing targets on virtually every play. DJ’s ability to easily slide into a route will be huge. He could be moved to the slot or even split out. Again this will stress basic defensive alignments and create mismatches. We will even see 5 target packages but maybe not as often as some expect.


There will certainly be RPOs, but I think they’ll look different from college. I expect them to avoid running Murray up the middle. You might see a QB draw but only near the goal line. The RPOs will move Murray outside. This accomplishes 2 things. First it limits Murray’s exposure to injury. This also takes advantage of Murray’s ability to throw on the run.


I’ve been writing about preseason blitz handling and the absence of hot routes. I’ve decided the only way that makes sense is if the formations and plays will contain automatic hot routes. One receiver pattern may include a slant that the QB throws if a blitz comes. I also anticipate wide receiver screens will also be used to control blitzes as well as more typical RB screens. To get DJ outside they may well incorporate swing passes and toss plays to compensate for a less than athletic line and slow the rush. Jet sweeps will become regular events. Of course with Murray’s speed simply rolling him out creates major issues for defenses. The bottom line is the hot routes are probably a part of typical plays and vary by the blitz formation. Likely options will take some time to be smooth but this seamless approach fits well with the desired speed.


Overall I expect to see frequent crossing routes. Multiple receiver sets will likely use at least one deep route which will often be a decoy to spread the field. More often than not I expect short passes and a focus on YAC. The routes will separate the receivers, isolating the defenders. Will it work? I’m not sure but I’m confident it will be fun to watch.
This offense is very fun to watch, makes you feel like you're never out of a game, no matter the score. When Hal Mumme ran this offense at Kentucky in the 90's, he believed in setting up the run with the pass, total opposite of what most all football teams do. He had back to back 1000 yd rushers also (Anthony White) by spreading defenses out, it creates rushing lanes. Another thing it does, keeps more DB's in the game to cover all the WR's, forcing a tackling mismatch for a DB against a bigger RB.
 

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I think Cardinal offensive substitutions may be less frequent than people expect. I expect 4 passing targets on virtually every play. DJ’s ability to easily slide into a route will be huge. He could be moved to the slot or even split out. Again this will stress basic defensive alignments and create mismatches. We will even see 5 target packages but maybe not as often as some expect.

How many WR's will the Cards keep? Besides Fitz and Kirk who else makes the final roster?
 

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Good analysis Harry!

Personally I think the Cards are making a huge mistake if they start Crabtree over KeeSean Johnson.
 

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How many WR's will the Cards keep? Besides Fitz and Kirk who else makes the final roster?
I better be 7 because our TEs scare nobody & wont be much factors in the passing game anyway

Fitz
Kirk
Johnson
Crabtree
Isabella
Byrd
Sherfield or Cooper
 
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I better be 7 because our TEs scare nobody & wont be much factors in the passing game anyway

Fitz
Kirk
Johnson
Crabtree
Isabella
Byrd
Sherfield or Cooper

This looks right to me. I think Cooper is the odd man out but he’s been better at WR than expected and will play for someone.
 

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I better be 7 because our TEs scare nobody & wont be much factors in the passing game anyway

Fitz
Kirk
Johnson
Crabtree
Isabella
Byrd
Sherfield or Cooper
Barring injuries, I'd guess we'd keep 7 (maybe just 6). Cooper didn't help himself Saturday. Also - "Body language" from the Cardinal website hints that Isabella's roster spot isn't quite the lock it's supposed to be. I think the decision on each WR will come down to "immediate results" vs. "room to develop." PS spot could be instrumental in deciding who makes the final cut.
 

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Barring injuries, I'd guess we'd keep 7 (maybe just 6). Cooper didn't help himself Saturday. Also - "Body language" from the Cardinal website hints that Isabella's roster spot isn't quite the lock it's supposed to be. I think the decision on each WR will come down to "immediate results" vs. "room to develop." PS spot could be instrumental in deciding who makes the final cut.

There has to be a way to use Isabella's speed in this offense. There must be. And let Sullivan have a season working with the kid. Did you know Edelmen has been in the league for like 50 years (I didn't)? lol.. he didn't do poop until like his fourth year.

Also, Jeff, do you know if Butler can stay on the IR all year? If he has to come off at some point during the year, can we safely move him to practice squad?
 

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Barring injuries, I'd guess we'd keep 7 (maybe just 6). Cooper didn't help himself Saturday. Also - "Body language" from the Cardinal website hints that Isabella's roster spot isn't quite the lock it's supposed to be. I think the decision on each WR will come down to "immediate results" vs. "room to develop." PS spot could be instrumental in deciding who makes the final cut.

No way does the team give up on a second round pick, if Isabella is cut no way he'd clear waivers to be put on the PS, therefore he is a certain lock. He may not be active much on game day but he is a lock for the 53.

Byrd, Sherfield and Cooper are fighting for 2 spots.
 

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I agree, Isabella is not going anywhere.
I hope you all are right - kid has too much raw juice.

I'm just reading the tea leaves as I see them and noticed that Urban & Co. had a lot to say about all the other receivers in their recent write-up, but scarcely mentioned Isabella.

I think Butler can come off IR later in the season, but there are other guys far more knowledgeable than me who know the ins and outs of who's eligibie to do what...when.

Anyone? (Buehler?)
 

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I hope you all are right - kid has too much raw juice.

I'm just reading the tea leaves as I see them and noticed that Urban & Co. had a lot to say about all the other receivers in their recent write-up, but scarcely mentioned Isabella.

I think Butler can come off IR later in the season, but there are other guys far more knowledgeable than me who know the ins and outs of who's eligibie to do what...when.

Anyone? (Buehler?)

Butler can't come off IR later in the season as he was placed on IR prior to the end of the preseason (some weird NFL rule), he is done for the year. That is why they haven't put Robert Alford on IR yet because there is hope he returns and will wait until PS concludes before making that move.
 

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I better be 7 because our TEs scare nobody & wont be much factors in the passing game anyway

Fitz
Kirk
Johnson
Crabtree
Isabella
Byrd
Sherfield or Cooper
teams often keep a guy or two as special teams specialists...often it is a backup RB but Cooper could make the roster based on that
 

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