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Old November 9th, 2005, 09:02 AM   #1
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The "I Hate John Hollinger" club open for business....


Seriously, is it me or does he have a total vendetta against the suns...Has he ever liked anything we have done??? Even when he had to pay them a compliment he said Diaw's play has "startled" him...between the Joe Johnson love affair, his back handed compliments, and no positive mention of the Suns...well lets just say i STRONGLY dislike the guy...

Further ammo...(wasn't this Joes first game that was a good one...and he writes an article about it leading off the daily dime???? I guess 70 million doesn't get you what it used to... )

Flightless Birds

By John Hollinger
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ATLANTA -- It hasn't been hard for Atlanta Hawks observers to find bad news in recent times, and Tuesday night was no exception.

After a moving tribute to fallen teammate Jason Collier, the Hawks stayed winless by losing their "home" debut in front of a mostly pro-Laker crowd, blowing a double-digit lead by giving up "at least 20 layups" in the estimation of coach Mike Woodson.

The 103-97 final score was pure window dressing -- L.A. went up by 16 in the fourth before the Zen Master called off the dogs. Plus, adding insult to injury, the scoreboard stopped working early in the second quarter and the P.A. announcer spent most of the night calling out the time left on the shot clock.

Want more? I've got plenty. No. 2 overall pick Marvin Williams looks so lost he's been named an honorary passenger on Oceanic Airways flight 815, and needed a post-game pep talk from Roy Williams. Second-year forwards Josh Childress and Josh Smith both seem to have taken a step back from promising rookie seasons -- they combined for five field goals and six turnovers.

And with the death of Collier and an injury to Tony Delk, the club is stretched so thin that Al Harrington had to play center in the first half when Zaza Pachulia encountered early foul trouble ... and then guard Kobe Bryant in the second half while Joe Johnson and Childress grabbed a breather.

But we knew this team had problems from the get-go -- it didn't lose 69 games last year for nothing. So instead, let's focus on the one piece of good news -- the play of Joe Johnson. Now that Woodson has mothballed the idea of playing Johnson at the point, Atlanta is finally getting some return on its $70 million investment. On Tuesday, Johnson delivered his best game as a Hawk, scoring a season-high 26 points on 11-of-20 shooting.

It was a far cry from the preseason and the first two regular-season games, when Johnson labored to get the ball across halfcourt against quicker point guards. Matched up against players his own size, Johnson looked much more comfortable. "The two gives me more freelance opportunities," said Johnson. "I can make more plays not just for my teammates, but for myself too."

He should get plenty more opportunities to do so. With the struggles of the two Joshes and Williams, the Hawks' need at off guard is much greater than it is at the point. Thus, for the few Hawks fans in the Philips Arena crowd, Johnson's play at the shooting guard spot was the one silver lining in an otherwise dreary home opener.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 09:44 AM   #2
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I won't read the article because I can't stan them anymore - but I find it funny he has a love afair for Joe now. He thought it was a horrible move during the summer.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 10:32 AM   #3
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Welcome to every media outlet banging on your team with half truths when they are down. Now you know what it is like to be a Lakers fan.

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Old November 9th, 2005, 12:38 PM   #4
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Welcome to every media outlet banging on your team with half truths when they are down. Now you know what it is like to be a Lakers fan.

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god what i wouldnt give to be treated as the lakers are. the refs giving them every brake. the media saying all the time how great LA is. heck where do i sign up to be treated like the lakers are?
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #5
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god what i wouldnt give to be treated as the lakers are. the refs giving them every brake. the media saying all the time how great LA is. heck where do i sign up to be treated like the lakers are?
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:05 PM   #6
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god what i wouldnt give to be treated as the lakers are. the refs giving them every brake. the media saying all the time how great LA is. heck where do i sign up to be treated like the lakers are?
Come on, do you have a bag on your head? Go back and read any preseason predictions or team preview. All paint Kobe as a me-first player, totally incapable of playing in the team game. The Lakers will fail, not make the playoffs, win 20 games and have to blow up the Phillip/Kobe team. Then tune your TV to a Lakers game sometime and you will see the truth. The media "saying all the time how great LA is" is wholly inaccurate, as are some of the recent jabs at the Suns.

Jeez, you try to sympatize with a Suns fan and they show you they fall for the same media inaccuracies they are apparently so upset about!

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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:11 PM   #7
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All paint Kobe as a me-first player, totally incapable of playing in the team game. The Lakers will fail, not make the playoffs

It's true that the media have been very hard on Bryant, but almost every preseason analysis I read had the Lakers in the playoffs.

As far as the other stuff goes, everyone loves a winner. When the Lakers were winning, they could do no wrong, but now it's a bit different.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:51 PM   #8
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As far as the other stuff goes, everyone loves a winner. When the Lakers were winning, they could do no wrong, but now it's a bit different.
Agreed, and I think you guys are starting to see the same thing with the Amare-less Suns (ie national media writing them off, etc), when you know that your team is far from done.

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Agreed, and I think you guys are starting to see the same thing with the Amare-less Suns (ie national media writing them off, etc), when you know that your team is far from done.

I guess, but since no one in the media gave the Suns a chance last year either, it's not a very big difference to us.
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wow they really bagged on the lakers here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...LALPreview0506
8 of 12 say the lakers don't make the playoffs.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 04:07 PM   #11
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wow they really bagged on the lakers here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...LALPreview0506
8 of 12 say the lakers don't make the playoffs.
Cool thanks, that was the page I was looking for...esp the pick of 14th in the West. Whatever, still a lot of season to go.

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[QUOTE=Arizona's Finest]Seriously, is it me or does he have a total vendetta against the suns...Has he ever liked anything we have done??? Even when he had to pay them a compliment he said Diaw's play has "startled" him...between the Joe Johnson love affair, his back handed compliments, and no positive mention of the Suns...well lets just say i STRONGLY dislike the guy...

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Flightless Birds

By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider

Hollinger is a stat meister, a mindless idiot who has learned to quote meaningless stats for a living. With Joes team well behind, I guessing that joe didnt see much pressure defense. Boris, with a near trible double, however, was playing at crunch time in what turned out to be a 1 pt game. This is why I reject all the a--es who quote these mindless stats. A great defender who limits his opponents shots gets what? Oh I got it, a new stat called "meaningful shots against".

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