December 5th, 2011, 12:09 PM
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No we had to. We had to trade the #7 pick so we could sign Q for the remaining capspace.
Had we not traded the #7 pick we could not have signed Q and Colangelo stated that that is why they traded #7 to clear additional capspace..
All of the other moves were the results of overpaying Quentin Richardson.
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December 5th, 2011, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by slinslin
No we had to. We had to trade the #7 pick so we could sign Q for the remaining capspace.
Had we not traded the #7 pick we could not have signed Q and Colangelo stated that that is why they traded #7 to clear additional capspace..
All of the other moves were the results of overpaying Quentin Richardson.
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The original story was the Suns traded the #7 pick because they didn't think Iggy would be there. The reality as I viewed it, BC tried to temporarily save Sarver some money so he stashed the #7 pick as best he could by trading it to Chicago for a future first round pick and for their second round pick (31) in 2004 draft which unfortunately turned out to be Vroman.
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December 7th, 2011, 08:52 AM
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I think the Sun ought to be looking at a way to turn that cap space into a high lottery pick. The ideal trading partner in that case would be the Clippers. I believe they have a Minnesota first rounder. They do not need more young players. They need to add vet leadership and stars.
I believe both Nash and Grant Hill would be interesting to them. Also, any space provided that would allow them to sign Chris Paul would be helpful.
If the Suns could manage two lottery picks in this draft, which should be a good one, they might have an interesting nucleus to build around. Then add enough cap space to be a player for a decent FA in the summer and we are in business.
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December 10th, 2011, 11:40 PM
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With CP3 likely going to one of the LA teams, D-12 and D-Will teaming up in Brooklyn, WHAT THE HELL ARE SAVING CAP SPACE FOR?
Westbrook likely is to stay in OKC as their FO is very willing to give him a huge contract.
http://newsok.com/thunder-russell-we...rticle/3630149
Who does that leave us with? Just Kevin Love who might pick Golden State over us because of their improved defense and their need for an upgrade at PF. They can definitely afford Love if they amnesty Lee and trade Ellis or something.
The whole "we're saving up for next summer" is just bull crap that the Phoenix FO is trying to get us to believe in so that we won't be pissed off at Sarver during the whole season. Their just trying to save $$ for business reasons, not for basketball reasons.
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December 10th, 2011, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsfan88
With CP3 likely going to one of the LA teams, D-12 and D-Will teaming up in Brooklyn, WHAT THE HELL ARE SAVING CAP SPACE FOR?
Westbrook likely is to stay in OKC as their FO is very willing to give him a huge contract.
http://newsok.com/thunder-russell-we...rticle/3630149
Who does that leave us with? Just Kevin Love who might pick Golden State over us because of their improved defense and their need for an upgrade at PF. They can definitely afford Love if they amnesty Lee and trade Ellis or something.
The whole "we're saving up for next summer" is just bull crap that the Phoenix FO is trying to get us to believe in so that we won't be pissed off at Sarver during the whole season. Their just trying to save $$ for business reasons, not for basketball reasons.
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At least we'll have the 14th pick to console us.
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December 12th, 2011, 08:18 AM
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Worst case scenario - we have a ton of cap space, and nobody wants to come here. Then we need to spend up to 90% of the cap ceiling, and get stuck with a bunch of awful contracts. That would be grand.
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December 12th, 2011, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ASUCHRIS
Worst case scenario - we have a ton of cap space, and nobody wants to come here. Then we need to spend up to 90% of the cap ceiling, and get stuck with a bunch of awful contracts. That would be grand.
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I'd imagine if the scenario played out, we'd just sign guys to one year deals to meet the minimum payroll. I don't think a scrub player would turn down inflated money for one year. If we can't get a big free agent, be prepared to see Pat Burke on a one year deal for $10 mil.
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December 12th, 2011, 12:24 PM
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Seems like all the big name free agents are being signed this year except for Paul (but that will probably happen eventually). I even read that somebody made a big offer to Kevin Love that Minn will have to match. Who'll be left to sign?
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December 12th, 2011, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Superbone
Seems like all the big name free agents are being signed this year except for Paul (but that will probably happen eventually). I even read that somebody made a big offer to Kevin Love that Minn will have to match. Who'll be left to sign?
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Kevin Love won't be an RFA until next summer, so teams cannot make him offers yet. The T-Wolves can however sign him to an extension right now and take him off the market if he agrees.
As for who will be left, probably not many top-tier free agents other than RFA's who will likely stay with their respective teams. But the Suns don't really have any other options. They did not have the cap space to go after guys like Chandler or Nene this off-season. They did not have any real trade assets to do sign-and-trades for those players or to acquire other all-star level players via trades.
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December 12th, 2011, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffin
Kevin Love won't be an RFA until next summer, so teams cannot make him offers yet. The T-Wolves can however sign him to an extension right now and take him off the market if he agrees.
As for who will be left, probably not many top-tier free agents other than RFA's who will likely stay with their respective teams. But the Suns don't really have any other options. They did not have the cap space to go after guys like Chandler or Nene this off-season. They did not have any real trade assets to do sign-and-trades for those players or to acquire other all-star level players via trades.
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I'm sorry. It was Marc Gasol I was thinking of that was given an offer from OKC but he has decided to stay with the Grizzlies.
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December 17th, 2011, 04:11 PM
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So let's recap for 2012 potential free agents:
Chris Paul- Stays with the Clippers
Deron Williams-Most likely staying with the Nets
Dwight Howard- LA or BK bound
Russell Westbrook-Contract extension soon
Kevin Love-Minny will most likely match any offer given out
Michael Beasley-Gonna be traded to Houston, Houston will definitely match any offer
OJ Mayo-Pacers will match once he's traded.
Eric Gordon- NO won't not match after they just gave up CP3 for him
Other guys include JJ Hickson (RFA), Javale McGee (RFA), Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Danilo Galinari (RFA), Tim Duncan.
This 2012 plan is COMPLETE BS. Sarver is fooling all the fans by telling them he's shredding salaries to sign superstar FAs in '12 but in reality he's just doing to save money for himself and not have to hear crap from the fans about it. An evil genius...
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December 17th, 2011, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsfan88
So let's recap for 2012 potential free agents:
Chris Paul- Stays with the Clippers
Deron Williams-Most likely staying with the Nets
Dwight Howard- LA or BK bound
Russell Westbrook-Contract extension soon
Kevin Love-Minny will most likely match any offer given out
Michael Beasley-Gonna be traded to Houston, Houston will definitely match any offer
OJ Mayo-Pacers will match once he's traded.
Eric Gordon- NO won't not match after they just gave up CP3 for him
Other guys include JJ Hickson (RFA), Javale McGee (RFA), Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Danilo Galinari (RFA), Tim Duncan.
This 2012 plan is COMPLETE BS. Sarver is fooling all the fans by telling them he's shredding salaries to sign superstar FAs in '12 but in reality he's just doing to save money for himself and not have to hear crap from the fans about it. An evil genius...
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I'm mostly about the games, I rarely pay attention to things like this so this one is new to me. Can you point me to the writeup or whatever where Sarver announced his plan for 2012?
Steve
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December 17th, 2011, 04:35 PM
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I'm mostly about the games, I rarely pay attention to things like this so this one is new to me. Can you point me to the writeup or whatever where Sarver announced his plan for 2012?
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Its in one of the Paul Coro articles. Hang on...i'll look it up.
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December 17th, 2011, 04:41 PM
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Sarver's reputation became a concern for the Suns brass, which has cleared salary-cap space for July 2012 to make a run at top free agents. The class could include Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams.
"I was concerned, and that was probably the toughest part about not being able to get the record straight," Sarver said. "It's important that Phoenix is viewed as a place players want to come to."
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Your welcome.
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December 17th, 2011, 05:37 PM
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I've also thought the big summer of 2012 might include Sarver selling the Suns as excess salary will be shed.
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