Suns interested in Kevin Martin

slinslin · January 13th, 2010, 07:16 AM

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2457910.html

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Kevin Martin is closing in on a return to game-action, which could be the beginning of an audition for other teams. Many teams are hoping to land Martin by the February trade deadline should the Kings make him available.

League sources indicate Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Phoenix and Dallas are among those keeping watch.

The Kings, who are believed to be looking for a significant frontcourt addition, have given no indication they intend to move Martin. There is, however, doubt by some that a backcourt combo of Tyreke Evans and Martin will not work in the longterm.

Please no this guy is just a shooter and can do nothing else really in my opinion.
Plus he is signed until 2012/2013 and makes 11M$ a year.

Doubt the Kings would take JRich for him because that is even less likely to work in the backcourt with Evans. Barbosa would be a good fit with Evans I guess but their contracts don't come close.

Amare for Martin, Thompson and a late lottery pick or something. Not too excited about that either. Especially having to play Amare and Evans 4 times a season doesn't sound too enticing but this trade might make sense.

Udrih/Evans/Nocioni/Amare/Hawes

That team could make it into the playoffs even and leave us with a non-lottery pick. It is unlikely though especially at the trade deadline if the Kings are further under .500 but they would still make a push to decrease the picks value.

DarenG · January 13th, 2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slinslin

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2457910.html

Please no this guy is just a shooter and can do nothing else really in my opinion.
Plus he is signed until 2012/2013 and makes 11M$ a year.

Doubt the Kings would take JRich for him because that is even less likely to work in the backcourt with Evans. Barbosa would be a good fit with Evans I guess but their contracts don't come close.

Amare for Martin, Thompson and a late lottery pick or something. Not too excited about that either. Especially having to play Amare and Evans 4 times a season doesn't sound too enticing but this trade might make sense.

Udrih/Evans/Nocioni/Amare/Hawes

That team could make it into the playoffs even and leave us with a non-lottery pick. It is unlikely though especially at the trade deadline if the Kings are further under .500 but they would still make a push to decrease the picks value.

Whey would the Suns want this guy? They have JRich who is a better player on both sides of the court IMO. This makes no sense unless the Suns are looking to rebuild and get younger. However, he is only 2 years younger the JRich.

slinslin · January 13th, 2010, 08:04 AM

Well I'd rather trade JRich and Barbosa for TMac and picks.

If Amare leaves we would have 41M$ coming off the books. +5 Million if Frye and Hill opt out or in other words we would only have 18 Million capspace tied up in salaries (Nash, Dragic, Lopez, Clark, Dudley).

The salary cap right now is at 59M$. It is projected to go down 5 to 8 Million possibly but that would still leave us with nearly 40M$ capspace in the market with Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Johnson and Amare.

ASUCHRIS · January 13th, 2010, 08:56 AM

Martin is a much better player than Richardson. Richardson proves time and time again that he can't be relied on, and he is least valuable when it matters the most. He is the anti-Raja, not clutch, not tough, and certainly no leader.

Martin has always been the only viable option on a terrible team, yet still put up very impressive offensive numbers. He can't play a lick of D, but that doesn't differentiate him from anyone else on the team. Unfortunately there is no way that the Kings would want Richardson for Martin, so it's a moot point anyway. With no trade chips in terms of picks/players, it's hard to envision us having anything the Kings would want.

Yuma · January 13th, 2010, 09:08 AM

Same as above, what do we have that the Kings would want? I'm sure we wouldn't trade Amare or Nash. After that, who do we have? Maybe Barbosa? Not sure the Suns would do even that.

Chaplin · January 13th, 2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ASUCHRIS

Martin is a much better player than Richardson. Richardson proves time and time again that he can't be relied on, and he is least valuable when it matters the most. He is the anti-Raja, not clutch, not tough, and certainly no leader.

Martin has always been the only viable option on a terrible team, yet still put up very impressive offensive numbers. He can't play a lick of D, but that doesn't differentiate him from anyone else on the team. Unfortunately there is no way that the Kings would want Richardson for Martin, so it's a moot point anyway. With no trade chips in terms of picks/players, it's hard to envision us having anything the Kings would want.

Martin is totally one-dimensional, a dynamic score, yes, but that's it. JRich is our best post-up player, BY FAR, he's a great shooter when given the chance and definitely is a dynamic player. This decision would really be reliant on money, not basketball talent. And JRich has easily been one of our 3 best players for a few weeks now.

slinslin · January 13th, 2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ASUCHRIS

. With no trade chips in terms of picks/players, it's hard to envision us having anything the Kings would want.

They will want Amare. Didn't they want him in the offseason or before the draft already?

Martin, Thompson and their pick just before the trade deadline would probably even be a good trade for us. But the Kings would be a tough team for the future in our division and they wouldn't have much of a problem resigning Amare if they want to pay him.

Still I would rather get TMac and a pick for JRich and Barbosa and go after Wade, Lebron or Bosh or if Amare leaves for 2 of them.

devilalum · January 13th, 2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by slinslin

They will want Amare. Didn't they want him in the offseason or before the draft already?

Martin, Thompson and their pick just before the trade deadline would probably even be a good trade for us. But the Kings would be a tough team for the future in our division and they wouldn't have much of a problem resigning Amare if they want to pay him.

Still I would rather get TMac and a pick for JRich and Barbosa and go after Wade, Lebron or Bosh or if Amare leaves for 2 of them.

Can Amare even extend in the middle of the season? He can promise all day but I can't see a team renting Amare for a couple of months. Would he extend with the Kings???

slinslin · January 13th, 2010, 10:55 AM

No he can't extend in the middle of the season, but who should the Kings be afraid off to sign Amare to the max if they are ready to offer that themselves?

Miami maybe but that is it and Miami will try to get Lebron or Bosh first.

There is a risk but that doesn't stop these kind of trades from happening I guess, see McDyess.

ASUCHRIS · January 13th, 2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaplin

Martin is totally one-dimensional, a dynamic score, yes, but that's it. JRich is our best post-up player, BY FAR, he's a great shooter when given the chance and definitely is a dynamic player. This decision would really be reliant on money, not basketball talent. And JRich has easily been one of our 3 best players for a few weeks now.

For what he's being paid, J Rich should be one of best 3 players at all times. Again, Richardson puts up decent numbers, but largely against inferior teams. Time and time again, he fails to show up against above average teams.

Martin is one of the best scorers in the league, and has been doing single handledly since he's been with the Kings. He is a superior offensive option to Richardson.

I never understand when people talk about what a good post up player J Rich is, from watching him over the period of a year or so, he rarely is able to take advantage of anyone in the post. They definitely try it, but from what I've seen, it's less than effective.

It's all mental masturbation at this point, but I would say with a high level of certainty that the majority of NBA GM's would much prefer Martin over Richardson.

DevonCardsFan · January 13th, 2010, 12:17 PM

No way could the Suns land Evans, He has been lights out in Sac, he is the next Dwayne Wade. I think he is pretty much untouchable in Sac

slinslin · January 13th, 2010, 12:28 PM

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No way could the Suns land Evans, He has been lights out in Sac, he is the next Dwayne Wade. I think he is pretty much untouchable in Sac

Who mentioned trading for Evans? Of course he is untouchable , he will win rookie of the year easily and is averaging 20/5/5 already.

95pro · January 13th, 2010, 01:00 PM

kmart is redundant.

cly2tw · January 13th, 2010, 08:41 PM

KMart, if not injury prone, is in the league of Ray Allen, Redd, Hamilton as pure scorers. His ball handling is much better than JRich. No idea about his defense though. Anyway, I'd do LB + Clark for him. Maybe follow up with Nash for Monta Ellis.

elindholm · January 13th, 2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cly2tw

KMart, if not injury prone, is in the league of Ray Allen, Redd, Hamilton as pure scorers.

Hamilton who? Surely you can't mean Rip Hamilton, who has averaged 20 ppg for a season all of twice in his career.

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His ball handling is much better than JRich. No idea about his defense though. Anyway, I'd do LB + Clark for him.

I can only assume you're joking. Of course the Kings would not consider that, and it would increase the Suns' payroll by $1.6 million for this season, which we know they won't do.