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Old November 23rd, 2004, 04:20 PM   #1
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Players we hated most PRE and POST Suns…


With all of this talk of about Malone, I thought it would be fun to discuss which:
Players we hated most BEFORE they played for the Suns.
Players we hated most AFTER they left the Suns.
Players we still loved most AFTER playing for a different team.

Top 5 players we hated most BEFORE they played for the Suns:
1. Mario Elie
2. Danny Ainge
3. McDyess
4. ?
5. ?

(I struggled with this one. I think I want to put Barkley on this list because he was hated so much for spitting on a little girl right before the Suns traded for him.)

Top 5 players we hated most AFTER they left the Suns:
1. McDyess
2. Kidd
3. Horry
4. Barkley (for the first couple of years it was a bitter pill to swallow)
5. Richard Dumas

Top 10 players we still loved AFTER playing for a different team (I didn’t know where to stop with this list):
1. Majerle
2. Horney
3. Ced
4. Dennis Johnson
5. Westphal
6. Nash
7. Walter Davis
8. Michael Finley
9. Connie Hawkins
10. Larry Nance
11. Outlaw
12. Elliot “sox” Perry
13. Joe Klein
14. Mark West
15. Tom Chambers
16. Danny Manning
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 04:26 PM   #2
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I would add Sam Cassell to your first two lists. I was so glad that he was traded so soon.
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 06:01 PM   #3
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I pretty much agree with your lists.

For list #2, I would definately put Kidd at the top.

For list #3, I would put Marbury near the top.
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 07:25 PM   #4
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For list #2 no one is even close to Kidd. The things he said about the suns and phx, and specifically the stuff he said after the nets beat phx the first time they played, I can never stop hating him. Watching him lose in back to back finals was beautiful.
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 07:46 PM   #5
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For list #2 no one is even close to Kidd. The things he said about the suns and phx, and specifically the stuff he said after the nets beat phx the first time they played, I can never stop hating him. Watching him lose in back to back finals was beautiful.
Ditto on that one hsandhu. I've had my problems with McDyess, Sam Cassell, and Charles Barkley after they left, but I absolutely loathed Jason Kidd.

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Old November 23rd, 2004, 08:07 PM   #6
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My top 5 hated: (After they left)

1: Jason Kidd
2: Jason Kidd
3: Jason Kidd
4: Jason Kidd
5: Jason Kidd
5a: Joumana Kidd
5b: TJ. Kidd
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 08:15 PM   #7
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What about top 5 players hated while they played for the Suns?

1. Penny Hardaway
2. Luc Longley
3. Tom Gugliotta (just because he was never able to produce)
4. Howard Eisley
5. ????
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 08:33 PM   #8
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What about top 5 players hated while they played for the Suns?

1. Penny Hardaway
2. Luc Longley
3. Tom Gugliotta (just because he was never able to produce)
4. Howard Eisley
5. ????
I'm inclined to add Hot Rod Williams, although I think the team was so boring then no one much cared.

BTW, did AC Green generate much emotion either either way?
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 09:14 PM   #9
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What about for #3:

Steve Nash
Eddie Johnson
Van Arsedales
Joe Proskey
Marco Milic (sp)


for #2
Sam Cassell
Robert Horry
Jason Kidd
Kevin Johnson
Rodney Rodgers
and newly added Stephen Jackson

For #1
Danny Sheas (sp)
Charles Barkley
Rex Chapman
Tom Chambers
Tim Kempton
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 09:24 PM   #10
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I thought about AC. He was a good guy. I just don't know if anyone cared.

As for Marbury, I chose not to put him on the list because I felt that he really wasn't with the team long enough create an attachment with the fans. And part of that is because the team just wasn't that good.

As for the "jbeecham's" new list involving players we hated while they were with the Suns? I don't know. "Hate" seems kind of harsh. All of those guys were put in a tough situation with injuries and depth charts and extremely high expectations. I think they're more tragic characters than anything. Yeah, how about a tragic list.

Most tragic Suns players of all time:

1. Danny Manning (knee problems)
2. Googs (knee problems)
3. Penny (knee problems)
(so sad that three allstars in a row went down with essentially career ending knee injuries. No team in the history of the NBA has ever had to endure that much bad luck)

4. Dumas (drug problems)
5. Rex Chapman (wrist injury)
6. Randy Livingston (caused injuries to other players)
7. KJ (my favorite player who struggled with pulled hamstrings and groin pulls for the last few years of his career)
8. Hot Rod Williams (back problems)
9. (wasn't there a player who died in a plane crash)
10. Jarod Mustaff (wasn't he involved in a murder with a cousin or something?)

Who can add some more to the ALL TRAGIC SUNS TEAM?


BTW I didn't do any list in any particular order. But yeah, I would put Kidd at the top.

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Old November 23rd, 2004, 09:31 PM   #11
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What about for #3:

Steve Nash
Eddie Johnson
Van Arsedales
Joe Proskey
Marco Milic (sp)


for #2
Sam Cassell
Robert Horry
Jason Kidd
Kevin Johnson
Rodney Rodgers
and newly added Stephen Jackson

For #1
Danny Sheas (sp)
Charles Barkley
Rex Chapman
Tom Chambers
Tim Kempton
You hated KJ, Rodney Rogers and Stephen Jackson? I don't understand? That's crazy. Who on earth and why would hate KJ of all people.

As for your list #1, why did you hate those players before they came to the Suns? I'm just curious since I have very little recollection of those players before they became Suns with the exception of Barkley. I didn't know anything about Chapman, Shayes or Kempton before the Suns at all.
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 09:34 PM   #12
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Most tragic Suns players of all time:

1. Danny Manning (knee problems)
2. Googs (knee problems)
3. Penny (knee problems)
(so sad that three allstars in a row went down with essentially career ending knee injuries. No team in the history of the NBA has ever had to endure that much bad luck)

4. Dumas (drug problems)
5. Rex Chapman (wrist injury)
6. Randy Livingston (caused injuries to other players)
7. KJ (my favorite player who struggled with pulled hamstrings and groin pulls for the last few years of his career)
8. Hot Rod Williams (back problems)
9. (wasn't there a player who died in a plane crash)
10. Jarod Mustaff (wasn't he involved in a murder with a cousin or something?)
9. Nick Vanos - the guy killed in a plane crash (I think)

How about Oliver Milller (weight problems)?

Do you think Zarko can be thrown in this list?
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 09:53 PM   #13
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I hated Greg Anthony because of the fight. I also hated Magic Johnson because him and KJ got into it during one of the playoff series.

Okay so they were never Suns players, but I hated them...and Jason Kidd

I'm trying to remember the deal with Sam Cassell. What did he do?

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Old November 24th, 2004, 03:57 AM   #14
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I'm trying to remember the deal with Sam Cassell. What did he do?
I think people were just afraid he was here as a part of some alien reconnaissance mission before the actual invasion.

Remember the miniseries, "V"? He didn't even try to look like a human.

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Old November 24th, 2004, 07:39 AM   #15
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Hated kid in Dallas AND in New Jersey
Hated Cassell in Houston AND everywhere else
Hated Horry in Houston
Hated McDice after he left TWICE
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