Nash wants to sign a three year contract - Page 6

cheesebeef · April 8th, 2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JCSunsfan

I think Nash will give the Suns the option of matching any offer he receives. He did that for Dallas when he signed with us. But that is going to be the extent of what the Suns get.

The Suns at a 2 in the JRich mold (Gordon) Nash, and a decent rookie (PJonesIII) it could make a huge difference for next year.

yeah, we could go from the 9 seed to the 6! yay!

dodie53 · April 8th, 2012, 04:50 PM

12mil is too much

JCSunsfan · April 9th, 2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesebeef

yeah, we could go from the 9 seed to the 6! yay!

I think it could make more than that. The Spurs are an interesting case study on the merits of keeping a core together long term. That team is good because it is a team. The sum is much more than the parts. But that is because the core has been together for years.

You wonder how much better the Sun could be if they didn't tinker with the roster so much.

AzStevenCal · April 9th, 2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JCSunsfan

I think it could make more than that. The Spurs are an interesting case study on the merits of keeping a core together long term. That team is good because it is a team. The sum is much more than the parts. But that is because the core has been together for years.

You wonder how much better the Sun could be if they didn't tinker with the roster so much.

That's one way to look at it and I'm not saying it's not the right way to look at it. But, another way to look at it is that they kept their core together because they had far fewer reasons to mess with it. Their roster was less flawed than ours and they never had to deal with the serious injuries to their big man that led to some of our tinkering.

Steve

cheesebeef · April 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JCSunsfan

I think it could make more than that. The Spurs are an interesting case study on the merits of keeping a core together long term. That team is good because it is a team. The sum is much more than the parts. But that is because the core has been together for years.

the core of the Spurs has not only consistently been a top seed, but they're won CHAMPIONSHIP and they've constantly been had one of the best records in the league. So yes, sticking with that core long term makes sense. The core of this Suns team has never made the playoffs and it's REALLY old. Why you stick with that core is beyond me.

Now if you said we should have stuck with the Nash, Amare, Richardson core... fine. That makes sense. The Nash/Amare combo when healthy was a constant 55-60 win club that made WCF appearances. But we're not talking about that core. that core is over and done with and the only person left from it is a 38 year old PG who's impact on the game is lessening every year as he's gone from 16.5 ppg to 14.8 ppg to 12.7 pgg.

JCSunsfan · April 9th, 2012, 08:58 PM

On ESPN Legler is saying that the Knicks should pursue Nash over Lin this summer. If that is the case, would you do a Nash for Lin double sign and trade? Sign them both for 8 mil or so and trade them. Maybe Nash for more, but then we would have to take back more salary than just Lin.

Just a thought, since the talk is already out there. I think I would do it.

sunsfan88 · April 9th, 2012, 09:02 PM

Goran Dragic on upcoming free agency "I would like to be a starter, to run the team...I don't know where that is going to be"

http://twitter.com/#!/jwquick

Step aside, Steve Nash

slinslin · April 10th, 2012, 06:29 AM

If we really go keep Nash we better go for KG and either Mayo or Allen while matching reasonable offers for Robin Lopez and Aaron Brooks and amnesty Warrick.

Keep Redd and Hill around for cheap and likely let Shannon Brown go because he might be too expensive if they keep Lopez and Brooks, certainly more expense than Michael Redd.

Scenario 1

Gortat/Lopez/Frye
Garnett/Morris/Frye
Hill/Dudley/Childress
Allen or Mayo /Redd
Nash/Brooks
+#14 pick

If we get Jeremy Lamb or Austin Rivers or another shooting guard at #14 might skip Allen or Mayo and re-sign Brown and Redd or go for a SF.

If we can get Perry Jones III we should maybe look to deal Markieff Morris for another lottery pick or young wing player.

JCSunsfan · April 10th, 2012, 08:14 AM

I think you amnesty Childress. He makes more than Warrick. Neither are going to play anyway. The Suns are at $24 million in committed salaries next year without signing Nash, Lopez qualifyng offer, and the rookie slot, and with Childress amnestied.

Since the cap is expected to be around $59 million, that leaves $35 million (yes $35 million) to work with. It is probably just a good investment to give the qualifying offer to Lopez. Then you have about $1.9 million committed for a rookie. Down to $30 million. $8-10 million for a pg starter (Nash or Dragic, maybe a sign and trade for Jeremy Lin if NY really wants Nash). $21 million left.

That is alot of money to add a scoring 2 or 3.

slinslin · April 10th, 2012, 02:09 PM

Sarver is not going to pay Childress that much money for nothing. He will amnesty Warrick, it is only a 2-3M$ difference for next season and Warrick costs Sarver only 4.5M$.

sunsfan88 · April 14th, 2012, 07:39 PM

WildBB · April 14th, 2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsfan88

Since season midpoint:
Nash-Brown-Dudley-Frye-Gortat -- Off Rtg: 129.5 -- Overall Rtg: +29.5

2009-2010 starters (the team that went to the WCFs):
Nash-JRich-Hill-Amar'e-Lopez -- Off Rtg: 115.15 -- Overall Rtg: +4.3

BAM!

Nash is not the problem. Nor is he in the foreseeable future.

Some of the baggage on this team is.