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There is no doubt that Nash can be productive into his late 30s, especially now that the NBA allows zones. Like Stockton, he's a cerebral player more than a physically dominant one. The heady types tend to last a little longer.
I am a big steve nash fan, both he and stockton are/were cerebral players. But alot of people dont know how fast stockton was off the dribble. His first few steps were quite fast, he would leave a terry porter in the dust. He also used a really abrupt hesitation move. In speed, stockton had it over nash. Where nash is unusual is that his ambidexterity passing/ plus some of the best vision ever, and continual awareness of floor spacing was/is unsurpassed. I still think stockton gets the nod as having a better career, but MVsteve put together 3 years of some of the best PG play ever.
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I am a big steve nash fan, both he and stockton are/were cerebral players. But alot of people dont know how fast stockton was off the dribble. His first few steps were quite fast, he would leave a terry porter in the dust. He also used a really abrupt hesitation move. In speed, stockton had it over nash. Where nash is unusual is that his ambidexterity passing/ plus some of the best vision ever, and continual awareness of floor spacing was/is unsurpassed. I still think stockton gets the nod as having a better career, but MVsteve put together 3 years of some of the best PG play ever.
John Stockton had one big plus over Steve Nash, Karl Malone. Stockton did not have to dribble into the lane and try to create by passing the ball back out. I'm not saying Nash is better, I'm just saying Stockton did not have to take the pounding Nash does.
__________________ If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. -Will Rogers
John Stockton had one big plus over Steve Nash, Karl Malone. Stockton did not have to dribble into the lane and try to create by passing the ball back out. I'm not saying Nash is better, I'm just saying Stockton did not have to take the pounding Nash does.
Agreed, Karl malone on the pick and roll was feared in the NBA for his physical play. Nobody pushed malone around, nobody, and just ask isiah thomas how his elbows worked in intimidating the opposition. Like I said previously, a Karl Malone screen not only worked, it hurt. But I remember stocktons speed, without a handcheck(when they suspended the rule) he ate up MJ or Pip off the dribble at 30+? years old. they changed that rule back in a hurry as I recall, probably didnt want to see that little guy kill the great MJ off the dribble.
Malone was good at the pick and roll, but I'd say Amare is more explosive. Malone was a great low post guy, so many of his shots were back to basket moves and he had a great turnaround jumper.
An incredible number of Amare's points are from Nash's in the paid pick and roll plays; This draws lots of defenders because no one can stop it with just two guys. But it really attracts thugs onto Nash.
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"I like to act decisively whenever I'm trying to get something done," Dumars said. "But I'm well aware that there has to be another team that's willing, and there has to be a good deal for both teams. Those two things will slow you down in doing a deal."
Malone was good at the pick and roll, but I'd say Amare is more explosive. Malone was a great low post guy, so many of his shots were back to basket moves and he had a great turnaround jumper.
An incredible number of Amare's points are from Nash's in the paid pick and roll plays; This draws lots of defenders because no one can stop it with just two guys. But it really attracts thugs onto Nash.
Amare is a better finisher around the hoop, but I know who I would want to set a pick for me, no contest there at all, none! The big man can do alot to protect his PG, amare does little. Imagine how bowen would feel if he knew malone was going to hard screen him at any time.
Well we shall see how long Nash wants to play under this new system. If he takes a pounding and is not successful under Porter who sounds like we are going to play halfcourt ball with him calling in plays everytime down the floor. To me its easy to say Nash may not like that at all especially if he is physically knocked around and may just not be fun for him to do like the run n gun. We shall see, I will however say that I am not real excited to see our team totally change the way we play doesn't seem like we have the players to play thug ball, yuck. I was afraid of this but yet Kerr and Porter said oh no we are not going to change the way we play...and its pretty clear they are totally changing it. One thing is for sure if it doesn't work Kerr had better be gone or they may lose alot of season ticket holders, I know I would be pissed right now if I had shelled out as much money for season tickets and find out now oh yeah we are not going to play fun bball no more we are going halfcourt...they had better win!
Well we shall see how long Nash wants to play under this new system. If he takes a pounding and is not successful under Porter who sounds like we are going to play halfcourt ball with him calling in plays everytime down the floor. To me its easy to say Nash may not like that at all especially if he is physically knocked around and may just not be fun for him to do like the run n gun. We shall see, I will however say that I am not real excited to see our team totally change the way we play doesn't seem like we have the players to play thug ball, yuck. I was afraid of this but yet Kerr and Porter said oh no we are not going to change the way we play...and its pretty clear they are totally changing it. One thing is for sure if it doesn't work Kerr had better be gone or they may lose alot of season ticket holders, I know I would be pissed right now if I had shelled out as much money for season tickets and find out now oh yeah we are not going to play fun bball no more we are going halfcourt...they had better win!
The thing I worry about the most with the new changes is increased practice time. I think Porter is going to have to make some accomodations or else face some player revolt down the line. These Suns are used to limited practice minutes under D'Antoni so they had fresh legs for the games. I think the primary thing wrong with the previous Suns was their inability to play tough defense for the final 5-10 minutes at the end of each half. IMO, if the Suns had just changed this, they would have been a much improved team.
__________________ If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. -Will Rogers
Porter played late into his career, so I'd guess this issue of not over practicing older players has come up before. But considering that the Spurs are older than Suns, I am curious how they handle it.
My guess is that nobody is going to complain because the ANSWER is fewer minutes on the floor during games..
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"I like to act decisively whenever I'm trying to get something done," Dumars said. "But I'm well aware that there has to be another team that's willing, and there has to be a good deal for both teams. Those two things will slow you down in doing a deal."
The thing I worry about most is not being able to watch Suns games. Its sounds like Porter is making us a half court team with called plays from him, god I hope he doesn't screw up what WAS the most enjoyable team to watch in the NBA.
My guess is that nobody is going to complain because the ANSWER is fewer minutes on the floor during games..
I disagree on this one. Older players recover slower, thats why they do poorly in back to backs. Vigorous practices along with games keep older players in a state of continuous fatigue, very bad in a long season. Grant Hill said as much when he came to the suns, not enough recovery time with tough practices AND games. As the body ages, the accumulation of lactic acid in muscle tissue is a problem, more recovery(time off from exertion) is required to get back. This is where porter will have a problem with vets, as the vets become fatigued, they will begin to resent his practice regimen. I suspect that Nash, shaq, hill, and bell will all be effected. these are key players, so if they become fatigued, the suns will look sluggish in games. Back to backs will already be a problem for these guys(perhaps even Bell), add in some tough practices and it could hurt more than help.
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