Measurements from Chicago

elindholm · June 12th, 2004, 07:55 PM

Sorry for the cruddy formatting. The measurements are: height in socks, height in shoes, weight, wingspan, standing reach. I've put in blue the players that "we" have already drafted. (Podkolzine wasn't there, apparently because the NBA decided to "count" his measurements from last year. Anyone still have those?)

Allen, Tony 6' 3.5'' 6' 4.25'' 214 6' 9'' 8' 6''
Ariza, Trevor 6' 7'' 6' 8.25'' 201 7' 2'' 8' 11.5''
Barrett, Andre 5' 8.75'' 5' 9.75'' 171 6' 1'' 7' 8''
Bass, Brandon 6' 6.25'' 6' 7.25'' 246 7' 2.5'' 8' 10.5''
Biedrins, Andris DID NOT SHOW UP
Bobbitt, Tony 6' 2.75'' 6' 4'' 185 6' 7'' 8' 4''
Boddicker, Brian 6' 7.5'' 6' 8.75'' 230 6' 10'' 8' 9.5''
Bowers, Tim 6' 0.5'' 6' 1.75'' 181 6' 9'' 8' 2''
Brown, Andre 6' 8'' 6' 9.5'' 236 6' 11'' 8' 11''
Burks, Antonio 6' 0'' 6' 0.75'' 191 6' 6.5'' 8' 0.5''
Butler, Jackie 6' 8'' 6' 9.5'' 263 7' 1.5'' 9' 1''
Capin, Aleksandar 6' 0'' 6' 1.25'' 176 6' 1.5'' 7' 10''
Chan, Ales 7' 0'' 7' 2'' 255 7' 3'' 9' 5''
Childress, Josh 6'5.75" 6'7.25" 196 6'11" 8'9"
Cummings, TJ 6' 7.5'' 6' 8.75'' 215 6' 9.5'' 8' 10.5''
Daniels, Erik 6' 6.25'' 6' 7.5'' 223 6' 11'' 8' 10''
Deng, Luol 6'7" 6'8" 220 7'0.5" 9'0.5"
Dothit, Marcus 6' 9.5'' 6' 11'' 223 7' 4'' 9' 3.5''
Duhon, Chris 6' 0'' 6' 1.25'' 193 6' 6.5'' 8' 2''
Edwards, John 6' 11.25'' 7' 1'' 264 7' 4.5'' 9' 5''
Emmett, Andre 6' 3.5'' 6' 4.5'' 216 6' 9'' 8' 4''
Farmer, Desmon 6' 4.5'' 6' 5.75'' 214 6' 8.5'' 8' 7''
Flores, Luis 6' 0.5'' 6' 1.75'' 202 6' 7.5'' 8' 2.5''
Freije, Matt 6' 8.25'' 6' 9.5'' 234 7' 1'' 9' 0.5''
Gai, Deng 6' 7.5'' 6' 9'' 218 7' 4'' 9' 2.5''
Garnett, Chris 6' 8.25'' 6' 9.75'' 260 7' 1'' 9' 0''
Gomes, Ryan 6' 6.5'' 6' 7.75'' 248 7' 2'' 8' 10.5''
Gordon, Ben 6'1" 6'2.25" 192 6'8.5" 8'3"
Harris, Devin 6'1.75" 6'3" 170 6'7.5" 8'2.5"
Howard, Dwight 6'9" 6'10.25" 240 7'4.5" 9'3.5"
Howell, Rolando 6' 7.5'' 6' 8.5'' 229 7' 0.5'' 8' 11''
Humphries, Kris 6'8.25" 6'9.5" 238 7'0.5" 8'10.5"
Iguodala, Andre 6'5.75" 6'6.75" 217 6'11" 8'9.5"
Iti, Martin 6' 8.5'' 6' 9.75'' 233 7' 5'' 9' 3.5''
Jackson, Luke 6'6" 6'7" 212 6'8.5" 8'7"
Jefferson, Al 6'8.25" 6'9.75" 263 7'2.5" 9'2"
Johnson, Arthur 6' 7'' 6' 8.5'' 262 7' 3'' 9' 1''
Koljevic, Ivan 6' 1'' 6' 2'' 172 6' 2.5'' 7' 11''
Lamizana, Herve 6' 7.5'' 6' 8.5'' 210 7' 1.5'' 8' 11''
Lishouk, Sergey 6' 10.25'' 6' 11.5'' 244 7' 0'' 9' 1.5''
Livingston, Shaun 6'6.25" 6'7.5" 186 6'11" 8'9.5"
Lloreda, Jaime 6' 6.75'' 6' 8.5'' 247 6' 9.5'' 8' 11''
Matthews, Bryant 6' 5.75'' 6' 6.75'' 206 7' 0.5'' 8' 9.5''
Melvin, Marcus 6' 6.75'' 6' 8.5'' 241 7' 0'' 8' 9.5''
Melzer, Rich 6' 7.5'' 6' 8.75'' 229 7' 2'' 8' 11''
Minard, Ricky 6' 3.25'' 6' 4.25'' 198 6' 7'' 8' 5.5''
Moore, James 6' 6.5'' 6' 8'' 198 7' 0.5'' 8' 11''
Moore, Marcus 6' 4'' 6' 5.25'' 202 6' 9'' 8' 5.5''
Morandais, Michel 6' 3.75'' 6' 4.75'' 205 6' 11.5'' 8' 6''
Nelson, Jameer 5'11" 6'0.5" 199 6'2.5" 7'11"
Nikagbatse, Misan 6' 3.5'' 6' 4.75'' 223 6' 10'' 8' 6''
Okafor, Emeka 6'8.5" 6'10" 257 7'4" 9'2.5"
Orr, Randall 6' 9'' 6' 10.75'' 193 6' 10.5'' 8' 11.5''
Page, Dylan 6' 7.5'' 6' 8.75'' 239 6' 7'' 8' 9''
Pasalic, Drago 6' 9.25'' 6' 10.75'' 231 6' 11.5'' 9' 0''
Paulding, Rickey 6' 2.75'' 6' 4'' 210 6' 9.5'' 8' 5.5''
Pena, Kelvin 6' 2.25'' 6' 3.25'' 182 6' 6.5'' 8' 3.5''
Pickett, Tim 6' 3'' 6' 4.25'' 207 6' 7.5'' 8' 4.5''
Quintero, Omar 5' 9.75'' 5' 11.25'' 170 5' 11.5'' 7' 8.5''
Ramos, Peter J. 7'1.75" 7'3.25" 255 7'5.5" 9'3.5"
Reiner, Jared 6' 10'' 6' 11.75'' 246 7' 0.5'' 9' 1''
Roberts, Lawrence 6' 7.5'' 6' 9'' 233 6' 9.5'' 8' 10.5''
Robinson, Bernard 6' 5.25'' 6' 6.5'' 208 6' 10'' 8' 6''
Robinson, Nate 5' 7.75'' 5' 9'' 181 6' 1'' 7' 7.5''
Sanders, Aerick 6' 6.5'' 6' 7.5'' 205 6' 11.5'' 8' 10''
Sato, Romain 6' 2'' 6' 3.25'' 204 6' 11'' 8' 6.5''
Sekulic, Blagota 6' 9.25'' 6' 10.5'' 234 6' 11'' 8' 11''
Simon, David 6' 8'' 6' 9'' 253 7' 3.5'' 9' 1''
Smith, JR 6'5.5" 6'6.75" 227 6'10" 8'8"
Smith, Josh 6'7" 6'8.25" 221 7'0" 8'10.5"
Snyder, Kirk 6'6" 6'6.75" 228 6'9" 8'8"
Sow, Pape 6' 8.5'' 6' 10'' 233 7' 2'' 9' 0.5''
Splitter, Tiaggo 6'10.25" 6'11.75" 233 7'2" 9'1.5"
Stepp, Blake WAS NOT MEASURED
Thompson, Dijon 6' 6.5'' 6' 8'' 195 6' 9.5'' 8' 7.5''
Timmerrmans, Tom 6' 10.5'' 6' 11.5'' 272 6' 11'' 8' 11.5''
Tomas, Marko 6' 6.5'' 6' 7.75'' 198 6' 7'' 8' 7.5''
Udrih, Beno 6' 2.5'' 6' 3.75'' 199 6' 4.5'' 8' 2''
Vroman, Jackson 6' 9.25'' 6' 10.75'' 226 7' 0'' 8' 9.5''
West, Delonte 6' 1.5'' 6' 2.75'' 183 6' 6'' 8' 3.5''
Wilkins, Damien 6' 4.5'' 6' 6'' 222 7' 0'' 8' 10''
Williams, Mike 6' 5.5'' 6' 6.5'' 197 6' 11.5'' 8' 9.5''
Williams, Nate 6' 8.5'' 6' 10'' 240 7' 1.5'' 9' 1.5''
Wright, Rashad 6' 0.5'' 6' 1.75'' 190 6' 10'' 8' 2.5''

fordronken · June 12th, 2004, 08:04 PM

So much for those "develop Dwight Howard at center" ideas.

elindholm · June 12th, 2004, 08:16 PM

So much for those "develop Dwight Howard at center" ideas.

I suppose it's still possible. He's a fraction of an inch longer than Okafor and could probably add the extra weight.

JCSunsfan · June 12th, 2004, 09:00 PM

I don't see the problem, his standing reach is as long as Ramos, and second longest among those measured. The only one longer is some no name at 9'5".

Truly, it doesn't matter where the top of your head is, it matters where the tips of your fingers are. I would be willing to bet, based upon these measurments that both Howard and Okafor will be more intimidating in the middle than Ramos, based upon height and leaping ability alone--leave out skill.

To me, these measurements confirm Okafor and Howard as 1 and 2 picks, and of their serviceability at center.

Joe Mama · June 12th, 2004, 09:23 PM

Ramos must have a long neck and head. In shoes he is 5" taller than Howard, and he has 1" longer wingspan. Yet they have the same standing reach. How is that possible? I mean Okafor has a gigantic head. The guy looks like a totem pole. His standing reach is just 1" less than Ramos despite the fact that Ramos has 5.25" on him and 1.5" on his wingspan.

I know Amare Stoudemire measured 6'8.5" without shoes and 6'10" with them. Does anyone remember his wingspan and/or standing reach?

I really thought Iguodala's wingspan was longer than 6'11", especially considering that he is almost 6'7" in shoes. His arms look like they are dragging on the ground. I would have guessed that they were over 7'0".

Joe Mama

F-Dog · June 12th, 2004, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mama

Ramos must have a long neck and head. In shoes he is 5" taller than Howard, and he has 1" longer wingspan. Yet they have the same standing reach. How is that possible? I mean Okafor has a gigantic head. The guy looks like a totem pole. His standing reach is just 1" less than Ramos despite the fact that Ramos has 5.25" on him and 1.5" on his wingspan.

Ramos has an awful lot of neck on him, IIRC. I guess there must be enough space between his shoulders and his chin to more than make up for Okafor's head.

As I said earlier, Okafor, Humphries and Al Jefferson were the pleasant surprises. It wouldn't surprise me now if Okafor played center for most of his NBA career.

Joe Mama · June 12th, 2004, 09:50 PM

I found the measurements for Amare Stoudemire and the rest of the 2002 draft class. His wingspan is 7'3/4", and his standing reach is 9'1/2".

http://www.nbadraft.net/2002predraftmeasurements.htm

Joe Mama

George O'Brien · June 12th, 2004, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

I found the measurements for Amare Stoudemire and the rest of the 2002 draft class. His wingspan is 7'3/4", and his standing reach is 9'1/2".

http://www.nbadraft.net/2002predraftmeasurements.htm

Joe Mama

What were Mourning's meansurements? He was relatively short (listed at 6'10"), but played center his entire career and a very high level until his kidney gave out. (Career 20 ppg and 9.7 rpg).

elindholm · June 13th, 2004, 08:57 PM

Bump, because I've now put Luke Jackson in blue as well. I'll keep doing that with each new pick in the mock draft.

Chris_Sanders · June 14th, 2004, 01:24 AM

Podkolzine measured 7'4" at Chicago last year and 7'5 this year at the Euro camp.

He's just 19 so it is feasible he grew another inch.

Joe Mama · June 14th, 2004, 06:01 AM

I think it was on one of the ESPN Insider where Chad Ford reported that Biedrins is 6'11" in shoes with a 7'1" wingspan. Does anybody else remember reading that?

Joe Mama

George O'Brien · June 14th, 2004, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

I think it was on one of the ESPN Insider where Chad Ford reported that Biedrins is 6'11" in shoes with a 7'1" wingspan. Does anybody else remember reading that?

Joe Mama

Yes, but it was not clear if he measured Biedrins at the time.

In any case, the case for Biedrins is that he is extremely athletic and at around 7 foot, it makes him a rarity. I see him developing into a Camby type big man who can rebound, block shots, run the floor, and score mostly on put backs.

The case against him is that he is really, really young and not a big offensive threat. My read on him is that he may not be physically ready to play, but he has the defense and rebounding skills that he will contribute once he is physiclly ready (ie stronger). I just don't know how that will take.

With Pavel the task is much more complicated. He is strong, but he does not have NBA condititioning when it comes to running the court. He can shoot and pass, but is no further along than Biedrins when it comes to the low post. But most of all, he has very poorly developed defensive skills and was not much of a rebounder in league play.

For Biedrins, waiting is mostly about conditioning. For Pavel, it is about not only conditioning but also learning how to play defense. IMHO, that is a much bigger hump.

SunsTzu · June 14th, 2004, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

I think it was on one of the ESPN Insider where Chad Ford reported that Biedrins is 6'11" in shoes with a 7'1" wingspan. Does anybody else remember reading that?

Joe Mama

Here is Ford's take on Biedrins:

Quote:

Upside: He's unlike any Euro I've ever seen. He's long (7-foot with a 7-1½ wingspan), has great lateral quickness, is an explosive leaper with a 34½ inch vertical jump (Chris Bosh and Carmelo Anthony each have a 33-inch verticals, by way of comparison) and ... drum roll please ... Biedrins prefers to play in the paint, where most 7-footers belong. He's a pure four whose specialty is defense, shot blocking and energy -- not real staples of the Euros who have been flooding the draft the past few years. His body is ripped, and he has a strong core that allows him to play in the post. He bench presses 185 pounds around 15 times. Only one big guy in Chicago (Jason Keep) topped that in combine testing last year.

Downside: What will ultimately scare a few teams away is his pedestrian outside shooting ability and questions about the competition level he played against in Latvia. Biedrins' outside shot isn't bad (in fact, in the second workout with the Clippers and Nuggets, it was actually very, very good), but it's clear from his shooting form that he struggles to hit anything consistently outside of 12 feet -- think Andrei Kirilenko when he first came into the league.

He is listed 6'10 on espn draft profiles, 6'11 on nbadraft.net and 7'0 at draftcity.com(also has him claiming he has been projected to reach 7'2 there). I think that the espn profiles may use the european measurements which are without shoes I believe so that may account for the difference in hieght.

elindholm · June 14th, 2004, 08:26 PM

bump -- Kirk Snyder at #13

elindholm · June 16th, 2004, 09:59 AM

bump -- Kris Humphries at #15 (Rafael Araujo is not on the list)