Mavs message boards?

KingofCards · May 21st, 2005, 01:13 PM

I wanted to laugh at their sorrow for a little bit.

Anyone have a link I can't seem to find one.

lancelet's cousin · May 21st, 2005, 01:26 PM

They're deranged and conspiracy minded right now. It really isn't even funny.

http://www.bleachermob.com/madness/madnbamavericks.html

lancelet's cousin · May 21st, 2005, 01:31 PM

This thread compares Nash to Vince Carter's dogging it at Toronto. A couple of sensible Mav posters (all two of them) are having a hard time convincing them otherwise.

JS22 · May 21st, 2005, 01:33 PM

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/forum?room=nba_dal

http://www.mavsforum.com/http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f2/

http://basketballboards.net/forum/http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f18/

Enjoy!

Chaz · May 21st, 2005, 01:44 PM

http://www.mavtalk.com

and

http://dallas-mavs.com/forums/

Are the two I have been following.

nothin' but net · May 21st, 2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelet's cousin

This thread compares Nash to Vince Carter's dogging it at Toronto. A couple of sensible Mav posters (all two of them) are having a hard time convincing them otherwise.

After reading this thread they can't seem to figure out why he played so much better this series than any in Dallas. C'Mon guys, it's not rocket science. When playing in Dallas, he never had the blessing of playing against the Mavs Defense!

DeAnna · May 21st, 2005, 03:27 PM

Pretty brutal stuff. Now they're saying he never gave his 100% to the Mavs and cheated the fans.

AZZenny · May 21st, 2005, 04:10 PM

Cognitive dissonance - to reduce their hurt and envy over having screwed up and seeing him excel AND - what's even worse - be happy elsewhere, they have to devalue and discredit him. Otherwise they just have to continue feeling unrelentingly crappy.

(And apparently they also ignore that he didn't play like that in Dallas because he didn't have D'Antoni giving him the keys to the Amareserati.)

Forrestham · May 21st, 2005, 05:37 PM

These are pretty hilarious. Arent we all glad Nash was "overpaid"

cheesebeef · May 21st, 2005, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nothin' but net

After reading this thread they can't seem to figure out why he played so much better this series than any in Dallas. C'Mon guys, it's not rocket science. When playing in Dallas, he never had the blessing of playing against the Mavs Defense!

ouch - can you imagine if someone posted that truth? I actually think that, plus motivation is DEAD on the money.

nothin' but net · May 21st, 2005, 06:20 PM

I think the situation really helped Nash to step up. At the beginning of the year, Stevie WAS the veteran leadership. I don't think he coasted in Dallas, but I really think it is an example of someone stepping up and filling a role that only he had the skills and experience for. Do you think Dirk and Finley would allow him to be the standout veteran leader on the Mavs?

That's where he has made the biggest contribution. He has modeled team oriented superstar behavior. As he consistantly deferred to his team even when he won the MVP, he created an atmosphere that wouldn't be possible with the situation in Dallas.

George O'Brien · May 21st, 2005, 06:42 PM

If they had any complaint it was that Nash did not do the kind of conditioning prior to other seasons he did this last summer. None the less, I think the real problem the Mavs fans are having is the same thing we've seen all season. No one is willing to admit that the Suns are extremely talented and play for a coach that capitalizes on what they can do.

Nash is a truly great player, but his value is enhanced by the guys he's playing with. They are simply better than the guys he played with in Dallas. Amare is a bigger threat than Dirk. Dirk is a great player because he shoots so well and is a fine rebounder. But he is not the kind of low post threat that can put up 40 against anyone dumb enough to single team him.

People criticize Amare for being inconsistent on defense, but that is because he CAN play pretty well. Dirk is bad on defense and is consistent about it. Marion may be smaller and not the shooter Dirk is; but Marion plays defense, is a better rebounder, and finishes on the break as well as anyone. I'm not sure I would trade Marion for Dirk straight up, even if Dirk is first team all NBA and Marion only third team. Marion has a better all round game and is a perfect fit for the Suns.

Joe Mama · May 21st, 2005, 06:57 PM

In Phoenix Steve Nash had the ball in his hands most of the time and was depended on to make most of the decisions. In Dallas Dirk Nowitzki was the primary offensive weapon. The Steve Nash pick and roll in Dallas was also different because Nowitzki is a pick and pop player instead of someone like Amare Stoudemire who rolls to the basket with dominance..

Joe Mama

hcsilla · May 21st, 2005, 09:14 PM

Doesn't have Nash (much) more freedom in Phoenix than he had in Dallas?

Furthermore DAL never was a true fastbreak team. Except Nash noone fitted the bill. They played a nice run-and-gun play but that's different from fastbraking.

George O'Brien · May 22nd, 2005, 12:27 AM

This has been part of the reason people keep underestimating the Suns. Most high scoring teams are made up of relatively unathletic shooters who bomb away. But in the playoffs, it is harder to hit outside shots.

The Suns are defined mostly by their athleticism. They are routinely faster than their opponents. They also can shoot, but that is driven by their athletic inside game and can drive the basket when needed.

The current Mavs are a lot more athletic than they were during their 2002-03 season when they won 60 and lost to the Spurs in the conference finals. Yet they could not match the Suns speed.