JJ for Dalembert? True?

jibikao · January 22nd, 2005, 08:09 AM

The Phoenix Suns are finalizing a deal that will send Joe Johnson and Jake Voskul to the Philadelphia 76ers for Samuel Dalembert and John Salmons.
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I saw this on ESPN board. I know it's a rumor but what do you guys think? I haven't watched Dalembert at all so I don't know if he would fit. But quite a few people on ESPN board think it's a good trade.

coloradosun · January 22nd, 2005, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jibikao

The Phoenix Suns are finalizing a deal that will send Joe Johnson and Jake Voskul to the Philadelphia 76ers for Samuel Dalembert and John Salmons.
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I saw this on ESPN board. I know it's a rumor but what do you guys think? I haven't watched Dalembert at all so I don't know if he would fit. But quite a few people on ESPN board think it's a good trade.

That deal does not work on realgm.com. The Sixers would have to throw in more players.

I just don't see the Suns moving JoeJohn, he has become our most lethal 3 pt weapon. CJ gone and Q is so unreliable at that range, the Suns need him as that weapon.

offset · January 22nd, 2005, 08:34 AM

unless the suns completely fall apart (with nash in the lineup) the suns WILL NOT trade joe johnson.

Chaplin · January 22nd, 2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jibikao

The Phoenix Suns are finalizing a deal that will send Joe Johnson and Jake Voskul to the Philadelphia 76ers for Samuel Dalembert and John Salmons.
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I saw this on ESPN board. I know it's a rumor but what do you guys think? I haven't watched Dalembert at all so I don't know if he would fit. But quite a few people on ESPN board think it's a good trade.

NOT going to happen. Right now, with the way Dalembert is treated in Philly, Voskuhl for him isn't much of a stretch. But throw in JJ and a guy who will be lucky not go get waived? Nonsense.

fordronken · January 22nd, 2005, 08:52 AM

I agree the trade is garbage, but from what I can tell, Salmons isn't garbage. In fact, he'd be a good fit for this team. He can play either guard spot and some small forward.

devilalum · January 22nd, 2005, 08:52 AM

As far as I can tell this whole Dalembert rumor was started by an ESPN writer. Probably one who would like for his Sixers to unload Dalembert for JJ.

The trade was made for 2 reasons:

1. To add a scorer to the Suns PATHETIC bench.
2. To add a veteran player to the mix for a little more stability.

IMO the Suns traded 3 players who will never be anything but marginal for a legit 6th man. They have no intention of trading JJ for Dalembert.

They have a nice 8 man rotation now.

Amare
Marion
Nash
Q
JJ

with Jackson, Hunter and Barbosa coming off the bench. The Suns were rolling when Barbosa played strictly as a 10-12 min. backup for Nash. Jackson can get 25-30 minutes filling in for JJ, Marion and Q. Hunter can spell Amare and Marion. JJ a few minutes at point.

Last night the Suns straters were all over 42 minutes. I bet you can't find a box score from any other game played by any other team that has all 5 starters playing that many minutes.

The Suns just ran out of gas down the stretch. That's why they blew a 17 point lead. Nash made 3 critical turnovers down the stretch that all looked like the result of fatgue.

Get JAckson in and Barbosa back and the Suns will get right back on track. There is no reason to believe that the Suns can't start dominating just like they did before Nash's injury.

jibikao · January 22nd, 2005, 09:01 AM

If anything, I think I would trade Q away before JJ.

I like Q but he has the tendency to fade away in important games like this.

JJ was extremely tired in the end. 52 freaking mins!!!

All our starters played like 45+ mins. And Nash playing 45mins after not fully recovered from an injury?? lol That's insane but the truth is we have no reliable bench. Just like what D'Antoni said, he can't afford to rest his starters because the moment Nash sat down, Spurs went back into the game. Nash only sat out for like 40seconds game time in the 4th quarter. sigh. 17pt just blew away like that.

Those turnovers are clearly results of fatique. Not just Nash, the whole team was tired. We moved the ball SO WELL in the first 3 quarters but in the end, you could see all the other players were just standing there, waiting for Nash to create something. Nash's pass to JJ wasn't that hard to catch if JJ paid attention but JJ was clearly tired.

Overall, we know how well this team can play with the 5 starters but we need at least 2 bench players. Just give us 2 decent bench players and then I think we are ready to go. Jim Jackson trade looks even more promising now because if he played last night, he would have taken some mins off for JJ or even Nash because JJ can move to point and Jackson can move to SF/SG.

Oh shoot... now we have two JJ!!!! Man, that means more typing!!! lol

jbeecham · January 22nd, 2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by devilalum

Nash made 3 critical turnovers down the stretch that all looked like the result of fatgue.

I know you meant fatigue, but this made me laugh........damn fat goo will get you every time.

arthurracoon · January 22nd, 2005, 09:59 AM

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devilalum · January 22nd, 2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaplin

NOT going to happen. Right now, with the way Dalembert is treated in Philly, Voskuhl for him isn't much of a stretch. But throw in JJ and a guy who will be lucky not go get waived? Nonsense.

I'd do Voskuhl, the Zarko trade exception and the Chi. pick for Dalembert.

sunsfn · January 22nd, 2005, 12:16 PM

There is no way the suns are going to trade JJ for Dalembert!!

However, they might be trying to get him.

Dalembert is making 1,599. this year and that is a hard trade for Philly.
He probably is worth more than that.
He is restricted next year and has asked for a big contract which Philly does not want to give him.

I think he will be traded before the deadline for the best deal.

The chicago pick has got to be a great bargining chip in a trade with Philly because of the salary problem. The suns could trade Hunter or Voskuhl and the pick for him. There may have to be some other things done, but that would be the main parts. I say that because Philly probably needs to get a big in return. Hunter does not make much, so something else has to be included to get up to the salary. The suns will have a problem giving up either because of Hunter signing with them instead of another team, and I think Voskuhl is a good backup that is cheap.

The Commish · January 22nd, 2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsfn

I think he will be traded before the deadline for the best deal.

The chicago pick has got to be a great bargining chip in a trade with Philly because of the salary problem. The suns could trade Hunter or Voskuhl and the pick for him. There may have to be some other things done, but that would be the main parts. I say that because Philly probably needs to get a big in return. Hunter does not make much, so something else has to be included to get up to the salary. The suns will have a problem giving up either because of Hunter signing with them instead of another team, and I think Voskuhl is a good backup that is cheap.

Not to mention we seem to be stockpiling 2nd round picks in case of emergency. We could sprinkle some of those on a trade. 2nd round picks make for good fixins'...

Joe Mama · January 22nd, 2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsfn

There is no way the suns are going to trade JJ for Dalembert!!

However, they might be trying to get him.

Dalembert is making 1,599. this year and that is a hard trade for Philly.
He probably is worth more than that.
He is restricted next year and has asked for a big contract which Philly does not want to give him.

I think he will be traded before the deadline for the best deal.

The chicago pick has got to be a great bargining chip in a trade with Philly because of the salary problem. The suns could trade Hunter or Voskuhl and the pick for him. There may have to be some other things done, but that would be the main parts. I say that because Philly probably needs to get a big in return. Hunter does not make much, so something else has to be included to get up to the salary. The suns will have a problem giving up either because of Hunter signing with them instead of another team, and I think Voskuhl is a good backup that is cheap.

the the Sixers are not going to just give away Dalembert. If they do in fact trade him (for the record I don't think they will) they are going to want a lot more than anything Phoenix can give them without surrendering one of the starting 5.

I read somewhere a while back that the owner of the 76ers really likes Dalembert and has said he will not trade him. I don't think we should expect anything more than some minor tinkering with the roster the rest of the way this season.

Joe Mama

az1965 · January 22nd, 2005, 02:31 PM

JJ is also the only reliable backup point gaurd for us.

sunsfn · January 22nd, 2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mama

the the Sixers are not going to just give away Dalembert. If they do in fact trade him (for the record I don't think they will) they are going to want a lot more than anything Phoenix can give them without surrendering one of the starting 5.

I read somewhere a while back that the owner of the 76ers really likes Dalembert and has said he will not trade him. I don't think we should expect anything more than some minor tinkering with the roster the rest of the way this season.

Joe Mama

The problem in Philly is that the coach obviously does not like Dalembert.
Who knows why? He may not be coachable or may think he knows more than the coaches.
However, the problem they are having is his contract that is coming up. They are not sure they can pay him with the salary restraints the owner has put on the team this year. That is why there is talk of trading him, even thought the owner likes him.