Chaplin

So you'd rather have Barbosa? Who, incidentally, hurt his wrist again and will require surgery. Again.

Mainstreet

Other than the trade, what does this have to do with Turoglu having a difficult time finding a role with the Suns. The only way I can get Turoglu to fit with the Suns is to play a high post center with the second unit and help Dragic run the offense.

I'm sorry to hear about Barbosa.

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Chaplin

Because all we really did is replace Barbosa with Hedo. The potential of Hedo finding his game again is still better IMO than what Barbosa brought.

Mainstreet

As I recall Barbosa had one year less left on his contract than Hedo and Hedo's contract was significantly larger. So it is simply not an issue of making a straight trade of Barbosa for Hedo.

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Chaplin

And yet, that's what it was.

Mainstreet

If you don't count money as being a part of the trade. The NBA is almost as much about money as personnel under the CBA. This is not the old NBA where a team could just trade players. But you know this.

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Chaplin

On a lighter note, the 3rd Landon Donovan/Steve Nash video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thRRhOaZVhU

Chaplin

True, and I'm not disputing that, but the fact of the matter is that regardless of the money--and that's not what we're talking about--in terms of talent, it was Hedo for Barbosa. That's what it boils down to.

Mainstreet

How can one view a trade under the CBA without considering money. It is not just a matter of talent. That's why I said the following:

I was factoring Hedo's large contract when I made this statement. Turkoglu will cost the Suns a lot more money than Barbosa if he is not a significant contributor to the Suns. I'm sure Sarver will look at it this way as well, as we all looked at Marcus Banks contract as an unnecessary burden.

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Chaplin

And again, the potential of what Hedo CAN bring to the Suns is better than what Barbosa DID bring to the Suns. Do you dispute that?

Mainstreet

I'm just thinking if Babby were not involved, the Suns would likely not have Turkoglu. The same with Childress. However, I'm liking Childress. I was a huge fan of Hedo since his days with the Kings. However, Hedo's play in Toronto last season should have raised a red flag as well as his high salary. Also Hedo does not fill a need as he is currently being played. Now if the Suns use Turoglu as I have suggested, then I can see some potential. But if the Suns use Turoglu as a high post center (still calling him a forward) for the second it could turn ugly. I don't know.

Certainly Hedo can "potentially" bring more to the Suns than Barbosa. What's the saying, bigs over smalls generally holds true but not always.

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Chaplin

I agree that we are using him very badly right now. To me, that's on Gentry's head--there is nothing so far that says that putting Hedo as the PF is a good thing. I thought the main reason we put him at that position was because of his offensive output, but that has been nonexistant. So are we keeping him there in the hope that he'll simply break out?

The way he's being used doesn't make a lot of sense unless you consider it the traditional having to start simply because he make more money than everyone else.

Mainstreet

This is the way I see it. Turkoglu could be a good bench player if Gentry can get Turkoglu to accept the idea.

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Chaplin

Hedo was quoted a few days ago as saying he's willing to come off the bench if it comes to it.

Mainstreet

So let it be written, so let it be done.

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