Nash

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yeah RIGHT! S.P.E.N.D. his money. I'm sure he doesn't pay even for that foamy finger of his!

thegrahamcrackr

um he spends his money on payroll. But you are right, the finger was probably free....

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SunsTzu

I heard the finger was the sticking point when Sarver bought the team from JC. They came to a compromise that Sarver would pay for the finger but JC would pay the taxes(since we all know how much Sarver wants to avoid paying tax).

Phill11

It's his team. Why should have to pay for what he owns?

I just don't get this boards obsession with bashing Sarver. He's been a great owner. You guys hated him for the JJ thing. Look how it turned out. You guys hated him for the draft pick thing and in a year or two when we win a Championship you won't hate him for that.

I just don't get it...

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Mainstreet

You don't really think this discussion is really about the foamy finger do you? I don't.

Personally I think the Suns got the better end of the JJ trade as you probably do as well. So this discussion is not about JJ.

IMO this discussion is will Sarver go the extra mile to win a Championship? I'm still waiting to find out. I know he didn't use the TE with a pick to add a quality role player. And I'm still waiting for Diaw to get extended. I'm really happy the Suns signed Banks and extended LB, but somewhat disappointed so far that the Suns settled for the signing of EP and Marks. In my mind, the 13th player signed should be able to actually see some valuable playing time. Also, I wouldn't mind if the Suns carried a 14 or 15 man roster as some other teams do. Additionally, I would like to see the Suns try to develop a player like Lampe as the 14th player.

I believe if the Suns added the right player to their team (perhaps it might have been an Ely) the Suns chances of winning a Championship would have significantly improved. Yes, Ely might have moved the Suns into LT territory after this coming season but a Championship would have been worth it. I can only hope the Suns win it anyway. The Suns actually have until the season trading deadline to add such a player so I'm keeping my mind open.

To sum it up, if this were baseball, I would want Sarver sliding into home plate on a close play in the 7th game of the World Series. Wouldn't you?

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I'm not sure what is expected of Sarver at this point. David Griffin may have suggested the Suns couldn't afford Ely, but we don't really know what the deal was supposed to be. The very fact that Grif was talking suggests they aren't just sitting around waiting for the waiver wire to fill up.

The bizzare part of the Sarver bashing is that there is a lot less evidence he's really messed things up than BC did over the last several years of the Colangelo ownership. Yes, BC won executive of the year, but prior to Sarver taking over he was batting no better than 50%.

1. Trades Bo Outlaw and Big Jake for Brevin Knight, then trades Knight for Jahidi White to replace Jake but requires a prime lottery pick to unload White.

2. Uses two first round picks to unload Googs.

3. Signs Marbury to a zillion dollar deal and unloads him soon afterword.

4. Passes on several good players including Boris Diaw to take Zarko and takes Casey over Prince.

This is just recent stuff. Prior to that there is the whole McDyess fiasco, signing Hardaway with a history of injuries to a horrible contract, signing Longley, etc.

Comparatively, what has Sarver done to match the botch jobs that BC had us suffer through? I'm not saying he won't make mistakes, everyone does. I'm just saying is that either through luck or skill, his results have been above average. Unfortunately, success is not enough to get people off his back.

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Chaplin

Funny Mainstreet, I thought the discussion was about Sarver moving from San Diego to Phoenix. At least, that is all the article quoted was about. Of course, Nash has to take it further and spout his anti-Sarver rhetoric, which in turn gets everyone riled up.

But yet again, another thread hijacked by anti-Sarverites and their insistency that Sarver is a cheap bastard with nothing to back it up except a trade that we ended up getting the BETTER end of!

And I'm not sure if you intended it to, but your post also implies that a trade for Ely is the missing piece for a championship. I can't honestly believe that you really feel like that. Ely might be a decent (i.e. average) player, but he is not going to be the deciding factor of whether we win a title or not. Hell, outside of a "star" player, nobody we pick up will be the deciding factor.

thegrahamcrackr

Griff said there was no need to use the TE because it wasn't worth the salary slot we had available to get a end of the bench guy.

In fact, the Suns are still considering Ely - even though their TE expired.

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Mainstreet

Actually I was commenting on Nash's comments after the quote in the first thread, but more specifically to Phill11's post, so I think my comments were right on target. I don't believe my comments were anti-Sarver at all. I was just posting I have a show me attitude in response to a couple of posters comments. I want to see how the roster moves play out.

Your the only one using inflammatory language such as... "Sarver is a cheap bastard."

Trying to stir the pot?

And yes, I do think a quality role player such as Ely could help make the difference in the Suns winning a Championship.

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Mainstreet

George, your absolutely right. I'm old enough to remember most of the botched moves made not only by BC but JC as well. As I recall, JC even took a crack at coaching the Suns. I don't think Sarver would ever go that far.

I really think JC learned most of his NBA smarts from experience and of course, fondly, Cotton. Actually, I think Sarver has done just fine as an owner of the Suns these past two seasons. I just hope he knows how fleeting are the chances to win a NBA Championship. I know long time fans are acutely aware of how hard it is to get in position to win a Championship. I know I have been waiting since the birth of this franchise. The Suns are in position now.

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BC867

Even Bryan took a shot at Dad, while he was here, saying that the Suns have always been known as a "soft" team. Not only did he part company with Sarver, he parted company with Jerry.

Yes, some of us have been waiting a long time for the team with the NBA's 3rd best regular season record during their existence (as I read recently) to step up and be strong in post-season play.

The Cinderella triple-overtime year vs. the Celtics; the year we should have beaten the Sonics but went small at Center; the potential dynasty of Walter Davis/Dennis Johnson/Larry Nancy/Mo Lucas/James Edwards; and the Barkley years when "Franchise" and "Franchise, Jr." were more interested in individual recognition than a Championship.

We're so close now, if Amare returns at 90% of his form. And the team rounds out a little bit more.

Chaplin

My post wasn't against you per se, more like in support of some of what you say. That's why I referred directly to Nash's post. Sorry if you felt otherwise, I had an idea you might after I wrote it. Sorry about that.

Mainstreet

We're on the same team Chaplin. We just need a good celebration after the Suns win a Championship.

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Chaplin

That's what I keep telling all the Anti-Sarverites!

Mainstreet

Also losing the coin flips for Kareem and David Robinson didn't help.

Keep the hope. I see you have some memories.

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