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Old July 28th, 2004, 09:57 AM   #16
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What did the Suns lose while their hands were tied? Was there a better way to spend the $5.8 million that I've overlooked?

It seems like the big tragedy is that the Suns missed out on Greg Ostertag. Well, la de da. I can live with that. It's not like any good FAs went for good value while the Suns were waiting on Richardson -- they wouldn't have signed anyone anyway.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 10:07 AM   #17
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instead of 'by far the dumbest move', I'll say 'one of his several dumb moves'.
One, BC hasn't made "several" dumb moves. And the bad moves he did make only look bad in hindsight.

Two, there is absolutely NOTHING dumb about signing Q to an offer sheet. Zilch. Considering his talent and age, he probably signed the most reasonable contact of the entire free agency period. And who did they pass on, Ostertag? Please. The next best player they could have signed, Dampier, is still available.

I can think of a half dozen scenarios involving the Suns remaining cap space that would have been preferable to signing one of the stiffs they missed out on waiting for Q.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 10:59 AM   #18
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What did the Suns lose while their hands were tied? Was there a better way to spend the $5.8 million that I've overlooked?

It seems like the big tragedy is that the Suns missed out on Greg Ostertag. Well, la de da. I can live with that. It's not like any good FAs went for good value while the Suns were waiting on Richardson -- they wouldn't have signed anyone anyway.
You don't think Divac for $4.9 million isn't a great bargain?

Seriously, the only "bargain" I've noticed have been Brent Barry to San Antonio starting at $4.5 million (he is going to have a huge year)

A few guys game in at about what I expected. Mark Blount re-signing with Boston starting at $5.3 million. I figured Etan Thomas would get a full MLE offer and I was right, but it looks like the Wizzards will match anyway.

Almost everyone else when for more than I expected - in several cases much more. I am still blown away at how long the McDyess contract is for and amazed at how much K-Mart went for. The Foyle deal completely blew me away.

I feel Ginobili was overpaid with a deal starting at $6.6 million (he's not really better than Q). I was a little surprised Turkoglu got an above the MLE deal starting at $5.2, but this was about par for this year.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 11:13 AM   #19
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I'm sorry, but handcuffing himself to avoid overpaying such stiffs as Ostertag and Foyle may be Brian's most brilliant move ever.

As for his worst move, have you already forgotten Googs and Hardaway?
I wouldn't say those were bad moves, at the time Googs and Hardaway were the top free agents/All-Stars in the game. The worst move would be Joe Barry Carol or John "Hot Rod" Willams, or what about Luc Longley
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Old July 28th, 2004, 11:26 AM   #20
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One, BC hasn't made "several" dumb moves. And the bad moves he did make only look bad in hindsight.

Two, there is absolutely NOTHING dumb about signing Q to an offer sheet. Zilch. Considering his talent and age, he probably signed the most reasonable contact of the entire free agency period. And who did they pass on, Ostertag? Please. The next best player they could have signed, Dampier, is still available.

I can think of a half dozen scenarios involving the Suns remaining cap space that would have been preferable to signing one of the stiffs they missed out on waiting for Q.
Exactly!

Even though they were stuck for 2 weeks, they still have the strong possibility of getting the best FA Center on the market and at a discount price. THE HORROR!!!

Even if we don't get Dampier, I'd rather sit on the money than massively overpay for some stiffs whom haven't really done anything other than take up space.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 11:43 AM   #21
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Trading for Hot Rod looks bad primarily in retrospect, it didn't seem to be such a bad deal at the time. Barkley was clamoring for a center. Majerle had an ice-cold playoffs and many Suns fans believed he had "peaked" and was even regressing.

Hot Rod was considered one of the best interior defenders in the league at the time. Both players had warts AND both had positives.

It was a small for a big. So that is a plus.

The problem was that Hot Rod had been in a car accident in the off-season and had told no one about it. The Suns didn't find out about it until that fall when Hot Rod started having problems with his foot. X-rays revealed he had a piece of metal imbedded in his foot from the car crash.
At the time of the trade, Majerle seemed like damaged goods with his back problems. He was still having numbness in one of his legs and couldn't jump like he used to (not that he had any hops to give). He was suddenly stationary and something of a liability on defense.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 11:51 AM   #22
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At the time of the trade, Majerle seemed like damaged goods with his back problems. He was still having numbness in one of his legs and couldn't jump like he used to (not that he had any hops to give). He was suddenly stationary and something of a liability on defense.
So they traded him for a guy who was more often injured than him.

Guessing health is a recurring issue. Sometimes teams make apparently bad trades because they think a player is injury prone or just never will get healthy. Other times teams will take players with a terrible history of injuries without a blink such as McDyess with the Pistons.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 01:38 PM   #23
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So they traded him for a guy who was more often injured than him.

Guessing health is a recurring issue. Sometimes teams make apparently bad trades because they think a player is injury prone or just never will get healthy. Other times teams will take players with a terrible history of injuries without a blink such as McDyess with the Pistons.
I liked Hot Rod when he was healthy, but I think it was clear much of his success in Cleveland should have been attributed to Nance's weakside defense. I still don't think it was such a horrible trade in terms of basketball reasoning. Hot Rod did was he was brought in to do, for the most part. What made it bad was Majerle's connection to the fans -- management was probably most guilty of underestimating how much he was loved here.
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At the time of the trade, Majerle seemed like damaged goods with his back problems. He was still having numbness in one of his legs and couldn't jump like he used to (not that he had any hops to give). He was suddenly stationary and something of a liability on defense.

Holy cow. I thought I was the only Suns fan in the world who understood the wisdom of the Majerle/Williams trade.

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Old July 28th, 2004, 02:38 PM   #25
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As much as I disagree with others who think BC is a great GM, I could live with his player deals if he'd just hire decent coaches and put together teams that fit - with each other and the coach's style. He's in the midst of screwing that up again as we speak - no way is a running game going to take you anyplace if you don't have very strong defense and rebounding to fuel the breaks. (Even if you do it's a questionable strategy when it comes to playoff time, but that's another matter.) Actually, our players may be pretty fair defenders but with coach Mikey running the show you can't tell because he knows zip about team defense.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 03:38 PM   #26
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Errnt...I've come to the conclusion that the coaches of the Colangeli teams are just yes men who end up the fall guys from the mistakes that the Colangeli make so often. Even the Mercury play a run and gun game and their centers are used less and less and the PF's are now the new height we see at the center position. Poor Amare...he will play more center than PF as the years go by and he will become more and more frustrated and injuries will soon occur....same typical scenario year after year.
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Errnt...I've come to the conclusion that the coaches of the Colangeli teams are just yes men who end up the fall guys from the mistakes that the Colangeli make so often. Even the Mercury play a run and gun game and their centers are used less and less and the PF's are now the new height we see at the center position. Poor Amare...he will play more center than PF as the years go by and he will become more and more frustrated and injuries will soon occur....same typical scenario year after year.
Not so fast about the Mercury. The Russian babe (hey I love really, really tall blondes) is supposed to be returning after the Olympics. She was beginning to show real promise before she got pregnant and returned to Russia.
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Well that Russian Babe...Maria Stepanova..will first need to get a visa, probably get one for her baby and husband if they got married.....then get with the flow of the team. They will hesitate using her too much since she has not played with the girls for almost 3 years......they used her pretty sparingly 3 years ago when they should have had her playing 30 minutes a game.
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At the time of the trade, Majerle seemed like damaged goods with his back problems. He was still having numbness in one of his legs and couldn't jump like he used to (not that he had any hops to give). He was suddenly stationary and something of a liability on defense.

Holy cow. I thought I was the only Suns fan in the world who understood the wisdom of the Majerle/Williams trade.

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It's entirely possible that the Phoenix Suns could have signed Divac to a two-year deal starting at around $5.5 million. I would have preferred that to Richardson. Now if they can somehow swing Dampier for the same money (I seriously doubt this is a possibility) I'll be happy.

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