Amare's comments after Bulls game.

AceP · February 4th, 2009, 04:15 PM

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* This is old news that got lost in the shuffle of postgame meetings after the Chicago game but might still be interesting. Stoudemire had one rebound in the first half Saturday against the Bulls and took one shot in the second half, a jumper on the Suns' first possession.
Coach Terry Porter's take was that Stoudemire "at times got lost a little bit." Asked about it after the game, Stoudemire said, "We've been talking about this all year, trying to figure out how to change things or get better. I don't know. As players, we're trying to figure it out. The coaching staff. Everybody's trying to figure it out. Right now, no progress."
Pressed more on the lack of shots, he said, "You said it all right there. I don't know what to say about that." Did Chicago take him out of the game? "Not at all. Tyrus Thomas. Joakim Noah. Who else is down there in the post? Subpar players. They didn't take me out of my game at all. It's just the way it was called."
Asked if the offense was not running through him, he said, "You guys are trying to get me in trouble here but the stat sheet says it all. We'll leave it at that."
Asked if he was concerned that he might be traded, he said: "The few things that never bother me is I'm never afraid and I never worry. Since the day I was born, I've never been afraid of anything and I never worry. I come in every day to do my job. I strap on my shoes and play hard. I try to learn from any mistakes and try to get better each day. It's all about putting people in position to prosper."
Asked if a change was necessary for the team, he said, "I wouldn't go that far with it. As players, we all get along. We all enjoy ourselves and each other. We have a great time with everybody here. Everybody has a ball, a blast with each other. I definitely don't want anything like that to happen."

Just my guess, Amare got criticized for collecting only 1 rebound in first half, that's the reason he only took 1 shot in second. Coach probably called for the plays not to run through him, teammates probably hesitated to pass to him, and he was probably unwilling to shoot after being criticized.

Bufalay · February 4th, 2009, 04:23 PM

"Tyrus Thomas. Joakim Noah. Who else is down there in the post? Subpar players."

hahaha

cly2tw · February 4th, 2009, 04:28 PM

It sounds he was pointing fingers to coach and management with the stuff of 'players get along with each other great'.

Griffin · February 4th, 2009, 04:31 PM

Apparently, the Suns are so distraught with Amare that not only are they not letting him touch the ball on the offensive end, they have gone as far as to ask opposing teams to shoot the ball in such a way that the potential rebounds do not fall anywhere within the vicinity of where Amare is positioned. That surely must explain the low rebounding totals.

jandaman · February 4th, 2009, 04:42 PM

Stoudemire "sooks" thats the biggest problem... the "me-allstar give ball" attitude..

Fact is the team is stacked of scorers, the team needs him to sacrifice scoring and still impact by grabbing boards and putting effort defensively... but he sooks since he doesnt get the offense run through him..

The Suns would be much better (duh!) if he sacrificed..

I want,

14~16 points
10~11 rebounds
1.5~3 blocks

from him

sacrifice points for impact defensively...

we all can wish.

cly2tw · February 4th, 2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Griffin

Apparently, the Suns are so distraught with Amare that not only are they not letting him touch the ball on the offensive end, they have gone as far as to ask opposing teams to shoot the ball in such a way that the potential rebounds do not fall anywhere within the vicinity of where Amare is positioned. That surely must explain the low rebounding totals.

Alternatively, Amare is in disagreement with coach's game plan and just plays passive like Raja did before getting traded. Actually, that's similar to what Nash does with turnovers.

cly2tw · February 4th, 2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jandaman

Stoudemire "sooks" thats the biggest problem... the "me-allstar give ball" attitude..

Fact is the team is stacked of scorers, the team needs him to sacrifice scoring and still impact by grabbing boards and putting effort defensively... but he sooks since he doesnt get the offense run through him..

The Suns would be much better (duh!) if he sacrificed..

I want,

14~16 points
10~11 rebounds
1.5~3 blocks

from him

sacrifice points for impact defensively...

we all can wish.

Fact is, the coach doesn't have a coherent plan to utilize the talent on this roster towards wins. Against this background, demand for sacrifice doesn't seem convincing. Nash was the first unwilling to sacrifice his game when Porter announced wanting to reduce Nash's ball handling. His resistence to change aided by Bell's was the main reason for our earlier season problem, if one trusted Porter game plan back then.

jandaman · February 4th, 2009, 04:49 PM

fact is..

Stoudemire always preach he wants to win.. he wants a championship.
he gets paid millions..

But doesnt sacrifice and work for that championship.. he costs the Suns wins..
by sooking and not trying on the court... great players "chip in" on other aspects of the game that his team needs... all for the good.

Scoring 30 points a game seems to be very very high on his list.

jandaman · February 4th, 2009, 04:50 PM

You dont' need plays for YOU when grabbing rebounds...

cly2tw · February 4th, 2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jandaman

fact is..

Stoudemire always preach he wants to win.. he wants a championship.
he gets paid millions..

But doesnt sacrifice and work for that championship.. he costs the Suns wins..
by sooking and not trying on the court... great players "chip in" on other aspects of the game that his team needs... all for the good.

Scoring 30 points a game seems to be very very high on his list.

What's your criterion for this assessment, considering Amare has been the most consistent post season performer on the Suns team, costly mistakes not withstanding? And why do you give Nash a free pass for sabotaging coach's plan? If you agree that that plan was non-sense, why would you be so confident that other demand by the same coach would yield us a championship? The moment Nash striked against Porter and company line, Porter lost the team. Don't you see that?

AceP · February 4th, 2009, 05:04 PM

I seriously doubt if the other players have problem with coaching staffs as Amare does. Watch some of recent games closely, I don't see any clear evidence of unhappiness between players and coaches.

Players like Shaq, Hill, Barbosa and Amundson, r all doing great, got a firm role and significant playing time, they r happy with the system and the coach, u can see that on and off the court.

Read after game comments, "lack of effort" is a key word mentioned more offen.

jandaman · February 4th, 2009, 05:08 PM

Nash is Nash... the guy has been playing much better the last month... sure the turn overs have increased... but Stoudemire's has also...

Sacrifice?
How about Alonzo Mourning focusing and literally sacrificing his body during that Heat/Mavs series... he was 1 of the main reasons that team overcame Mavs, he played 110% on the defensive end to help his team.

How about David Robinson, sure he got injured and wasnt the same player, but he solely focused on grabbing rebounds and playing defense next to Duncan.... this guy use to score 25+ a game... grabs 12 rebounds and blocks 4 shots. Former MVP...
Robinson was HUGE reason why they overcame the Lakers, then he regressed significantly and eventually lost to them til they got Ginobil and Parker making huge improvements... he still produced 8~9 rebounds 1.5 blocks with a messed up back.

bottomline is... I dont care about Stoudemire scoring way below his average.. but the 3-4 rebounds a game... during losses.... not acceptable... the coach doesnt need to go through you to get 10 rebounds..... its effort.

Goran Stoudemire · February 4th, 2009, 09:03 PM

What exactly is Shaq sacrificing? He came here to play good defense and has yet to do that. He came here to be a teacher and has yet to do that.

Shaq needs to be the one getting 14/12/2 blks while playing good defense. Thats what he came here to do and thats what this team needs him to do.

Admunson is straight garbage. Dude is a poor mans Andy V. His defense is sub par and he just goes out there and gets rebounds while fouling people. I dont get the love affair people have with garbage time guys.

AceP · February 4th, 2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goran Stoudemire

What exactly is Shaq sacrificing? He came here to play good defense and has yet to do that. He came here to be a teacher and has yet to do that.

Shaq needs to be the one getting 14/12/2 blks while playing good defense. Thats what he came here to do and thats what this team needs him to do.

Admunson is straight garbage. Dude is a poor mans Andy V. His defense is sub par and he just goes out there and gets rebounds while fouling people. I dont get the love affair people have with garbage time guys.

Dear, you got to have a look at stats sheet.

Shaq is doing 9 rebounds per game, better than Amare while playing much less minutes.

Just in case you don't know. Shaq's rebounding rate is 13.9 for 48 minutes. Kevin Gannet is 13.2, Tim Duncan is 14.2, Andrew Bynum is 13.5, Tyson Chandler is 12.8.

Goran Stoudemire · February 4th, 2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AceP

Dear, you got to have a look at stats sheet.

Shaq is doing 9 rebounds per game, better than Amare while playing much less minutes.

Just in case you don't know. Shaq's rebounding rate is 13.9 for 48 minutes. Kevin Gannet is 13.2, Tim Duncan is 14.2, Andrew Bynum is 13.5, Tyson Chandler is 12.8.

Yes because he cant stay on the court and if he did for huge minutes he would go down to a injury or his stats would suffer. Lets not act like he would do the same thing posting big minutes every game of the year.