JustWinBaby

Are you blaming D'Antoni for not selling Melo on the concept of team play? If you are you are right on the money. If you think Coach D does not want team play you are wrong. That is what 7 SOS was all about. The ball finds the right spot and the TEAM gets and takes good shots. If you watched them play when Melo was injured that is exactly how they were playing. Now Lin appears to be catering to Melo rather than the team concept. The bad part is that D'Antoni seems to be in Melo's corner. That has to change or they will continue to struggle. Karl fought the same issues in Denver with Melo. When Melo would do more than hog the ball the Nuggets were pretty good. It has been reported that Billups suggested that whoever was the point guard in New York after he left, had to deal with Melo on this issue. Chauncey is right on the money, IMO.

Superbone

Would you prefer the Internet staple, the single block of text?

Edit: Whoops. JWB already beat me to it. Much harder to read.

Phrazbit

Tonight, a prime example of how overrated Amare is even when playing well. His box score looks good, but he was as bad as ever on defense and his hilarious inability to check his man on rebounds let to 17 offensive boards for the bucks. And in a back to back sequence in the clutch stood by and watched his man get an eeeasy put back on a missed layup, then followed up the play on the other end by committing a game losing travel on what should have been a lay in. Oh, and then fouled out.

Bufalay

Are you talking about the play when Jennings missed the terrible shot and Ilyasova got the putback? If so, that was Anthony's man he just lost track of him after the pick and roll. Stoudemire was boxing out Gooden.

Mainstreet

Did you get a chance to watch the game? If so, what did you think of Ilyasova. I like him as a FA prospect for the Suns.

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Bufalay

Just caught the highlights, but ya Ilyasova is pretty good.

jagu

I used to hate Ilysasova, now after seeing plenty of Bucks games I'm sold. This guy has skills.

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Reality Check: At worst it's a higher lottery pick along with many other picks this year. At best it's a 7-8 seed and a first round ousting by a far superior high seed team.

Phrazbit

Did you know that he is really just James Franco in stilts?

Phrazbit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnpYn...87KfZGHeazhrE=

lol a lovely example of Amare's defense from last night.

I am not exaggerating and I do not think I am hating when I say that Amare is quite possibly literally (and yes, the real literally) the worst defender in the league among players who receive regular playing time.

To those of you who still wish the Suns had kept him, please, stop beating yourselves up. Do yourself a favor and watch a good chunk of Knicks games, if you dont have league pass there are plenty streaming websites I can point you to.

Amare is so awful on defense that he would literally (once again, the real literally) have to average like 40 points a game on 60% shooting to balance out the horrific impact his defense has on the game.

JustWinBaby

Your personal vendetta is just that, personal.

I watched the game as well and here is my take. I watched more than a 20 second clip on youtube.

Amare had 27 and 11 on 11 for 15 shooting, pretty effing good. He looks like he is getting some of his athleticism back, he has lost 10 or 15 pounds.

Whoever was supposed to guard him had to play worse defense than Amare in that Amare was the leading scorer in the game. That makes at least one person in the league a worse defender than Amare.

Amare +10
Fields +11
Lin +13

Melo -5

Everyone else was minus

The Bucks shot 13 for 26 from the 3 point line, which is the main reason they won. Is Amare supposed to guard the point line as well?
The Knicks outscored them 60 to 50 in the paint, where Amare plays, mostly thanks to Amare. He got no help from Melo on defense or the boards. Without Chandler and Jeffries Amare needed help and got none.

Melo did his usual pout and did his usual ISO crap and contributed virtually nothing after a decent 1st quarter or so.

Not everyone views it as you and most of the morons on the Knicks Real GM board. A lot of them also view Melo as the 2nd coming. That is where they lose all credibility IMO.

Yep, I would still like Amare on our team. So would Steve Nash, Grant Hill and Coach Gentry.

Phrazbit

Yes, Amare had a +/- in the positive, if you want to lean on that for your argument then it makes his performance against the Bucks one of the the few games this year where he was not a complete disaster for his team. By the way, you posted earlier in this thread a stat line of 18 points on 12 shots for Amare as evidence in his favor... in that same game he posted a +/- of -21, by far the worst on his team.

Plus minus clearly demonstrates how negative Amare's impact is for every second the Knicks are stuck with him on the court. As I pointed out earlier, the Knicks have been outscored by 66 with him in the game, and out scored their foes by 120 without him. A 186 point swing. Looking at their baseline defensive stats you can tell its no fluke. He is being outplayed, by a very very wide margin by Josh Harrellson and Jarred Jefferies. How that can be accounted for and still come away thinking Amare is not a complete dead weight on that roster is beyond me.

Call me a hater, say I have a vendetta, fine, but then the stats and the facts have a vendetta too.

At this point in his career, Amare Stoudemire is a crappy player, and unless he bucks the trend that other big man have traveled down, he is only going to get worse.

Phrazbit

Amare, with another banner game. 9 points 5 boards. But he probably gained 15 pounds yesterday.

AzStevenCal

No, you're not hating.

Steve

Phrazbit

lol, I couldnt help but crack a joke. He seriously looks horrendous out there. I cant imagine how anyone thinks this guy is still a star.

AfroSuns

Yea, Amare adding weight is a dumb move because of his knees,but he is not the reason for the Knicks on court woes. They seriously screwed the pooch (so far) with the Anthony signing. Letting Galinari and Chandler go was an epic fail. You only have to look at how Denver plays like a team without Anthony and how Knicks have sucked since the trade.

The trade seriously affected Amare's game too