I just dont see all of texas following the spurs.. and its already been proven that when the spurs play in the finals that those are some of the lowest rated finals.. SA is a small market town much like sacramento for the reasons above..
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I'm still extremely bitter that the Spurs got Duncan when the Cs had a 37% chance of getting the #1 pick. Oh how that fateful ping pong ball changed the course of NBA history forever.
Theres no gaurentee the Celtics would have won a championship if they got Duncan.. You have to have role players and other good players to win it all.. Im not sure the celtics have had a good GM in awhile..
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Foote didn't want to sign with birdgang cool take his ass to pittsburg then and help Ben leave them women alone! We will get some1 else! - Darnell Dockett
I just dont see all of texas following the spurs.. and its already been proven that when the spurs play in the finals that those are some of the lowest rated finals.. SA is a small market town much like sacramento for the reasons above..
I agree. The Spurs have just been a good team in the Duncan era. I do believe that, over time, the refs in their games have given them some calls and unfortunately adapted their officiating to accommodate the physical style of play Pop brought to SA, once they became accustomed to seeing it day in and day out. I will not argue against the fact that Bowen and Duncan get away with murder on fairly regular basis nowadays.
Theres no gaurentee the Celtics would have won a championship if they got Duncan.. You have to have role players and other good players to win it all.. Im not sure the celtics have had a good GM in awhile..
Oh I know, but it would have been much different. Instead they got Billups, who they traded for like Danny Fortson and some change, and Ron Mercer.
I just dont see all of texas following the spurs.. and its already been proven that when the spurs play in the finals that those are some of the lowest rated finals.. SA is a small market town much like sacramento for the reasons above..
I agree...but I'm still wondering why then does the NBA favor San Antonio. You would think the league would seriously be pushing for the Suns "fun" style of play. For whatever reason the league just isn't really liking it. Or maybe they like it, but when they do the math...they find out that a fun Phoenix team still will not bring in the dollars a Texas team will.
It's just that this league has smelt for the better part of 30 years now, and I happen to believe if this Suns style of play was wearing a Laker jersey...we would be seeing a lot more "favorable" calls for the "fun" team. As it is now...the league is "favoring" San Antoinio and as a NBA fan...I just don't know why. It's gotta be the dollars....
Most of this reasoning and thought process is because I'm assuming the league will suspend Amare and Diaw for absoulutely no reason at all. Again rewarding the Spurs with a playoff series win on a last ditch effort to preserve the Texas market.
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Lord strike that poor boy down...
But it is ironic how they all wind up where they wound up.
Why hasn't Phoenix, Denver, Portland, Seattle, Utah, Cleveland, Sacremento, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Charlotte, Minnesota, Indiana, Memphis, New Orleans, Toronto, New Jersey, etc.etc. ever been able to land a "super stud" center???
Do all those teams listed above not know that a good center would increase there chances of winning a NBA Championship??? Are they all that stupid, and only guys who work for the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Rockets, and Pistons realize this?
Heh. Newbie?
Phoenix and Milwaukee had a coin flip as newbie franchises in '69 for the rights to draft Lew Alcindor. Milwaukee won and proceeded to win ... an NBA championship. Then they traded Alcindor, soon to be known as Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, because Milwaukee mgt. grew up eating the uranium corn flakes.
Portland had a guy named Bill Walton. Oh yeah, they won a championship. Seattle didn't have a great one, but they did have Jack Sikma, who was one of the meanest, ugliest SOBs ever to play center. They won a championship. The Washington BULLETS had Wes Unseld. Oh, they won a championship.
After that came the dynasty era, brought to you by stupid management giving away talent to the big boys, before the free agency period started busting the dynasties. For example, ask yourself how the Lakers were able to pick up James Worthy in they draft the same year they won the championship. Or they had Byron Scott and Jamaal Wilkes drop in their laps. Stupid management. Or doesn't anyone here remember DJ for Robey? How else do you think Boston acquired talent? They couldn't buy it. They just made trades with stupid GMs.
Hey, Michael Jordan went to Chicago as the No. 3 pick in the draft. Hakeem went No. 1 that year, and regardless of Jordan's superior championships, I think the Rockets made the right choice. Portland, other hand, chose Sam Bowie. Maybe if they had stuck to their original choice, Charles Barkley, they wouldn't look so foolish.
The NBA isn't fixed. There are, however, many broken management teams constantly out-thinking themselves.
The NBA isn't fixed. There are, however, many broken management teams constantly out-thinking themselves.
Well I'd like to believe that...but I wasn't born yesterday.
All those references you mentioned go back before Stern became Commish, and past the 30 year mark I was referring to. I'm aware of those Championship teams you mentioned, but that is "old-school" management before the "fix" was on.
Who hear wants to predict a Championship to a non-major MAJOR market in the next 10 years? lol
Will Charlotte, Sacremento, Milwaukee, Portland, Denver, Minnesota, Indiana, New Orleans, Orlando, Seattle, Clevland, Utah or Phoenix ever win a NBA Championship???
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Lord strike that poor boy down...
Will Charlotte, Sacremento, Milwaukee, Portland, Denver, Minnesota, Indiana, New Orleans, Orlando, Seattle, Clevland, Utah or Phoenix ever win a NBA Championship???
That depends if those teams will keep their stars and stop drafting the Adam Morrisons of the draft. Or hiring retread coaches 20 years beyond their best moments. Or keeping the good-ol-boy system in place in their front office. You don't even have to be a small market to have bad mgt. Just look at Atlanta.
Phoenix is an interesting test case. They're not only trying to win a championship, they're trying to do it in a very cavalier way. That usually brings an extra burden in the playoffs. I'm not surprised they've struggled against the Spurs ... that's how it's ALWAYS been, even before Stern. Shoot, the Suns brought in Moe Lucas back in the early 80s because they wanted to get more physical for the playoffs. They felt they lacked that kind of enforcer attitude in the 70s, and they were right.
But it is ironic how they all wind up where they wound up.
Why hasn't Phoenix, Denver, Portland, Seattle, Utah, Cleveland, Sacremento, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Charlotte, Minnesota, Indiana, Memphis, New Orleans, Toronto, New Jersey, etc.etc. ever been able to land a "super stud" center???
Do all those teams listed above not know that a good center would increase there chances of winning a NBA Championship??? Are they all that stupid, and only guys who work for the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Rockets, and Pistons realize this?
The Grizzlies will probably get their stud center later this year, so settle down, the NBA is NOT rigged.
If the NBA was rigged, Tim Duncan would be in Boston, not San Antonio. Boston is a huge market and one of the NBA's premiere franchises historically (them and the Lakers are the top 2), if they wanted to rig things, they'd do everything they could to help Boston.
The NBA isn't fixed.
Americans did land on the moon in 1969.
Lee Harvey Oswald was the one and only killer of JFK.
Andy Kauffman isn't really alive but in hiding.
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Will Charlotte, Sacremento, Milwaukee, Portland, Denver, Minnesota, Indiana, New Orleans, Orlando, Seattle, Clevland, Utah or Phoenix ever win a NBA Championship???
Phoenix is a major market, there are 6 million people in Arizona, Phoenix is the countries fifth largest city, and 14th (or so) largest metro area. The Suns will win the title this year.
If the Grizzlies get Oden, and Gasol can stay healthy, I don't see why they couldn't win a title down the road. If Cleveland makes some shrewd moves and holds onto their picks, they could certainly win a title with LeBron. Orlando has a great young center in Dwight Howard and could become a title contender in the next few years.
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What a joke!!! So you actually think the Spurs draw a bigger market than the Suns? Why don't you read some sports columns? It is widely known that San Antonio is a very small market and doesn't generate much revenue for the NBA. That's why the Spurs 99, 03, and 05 Championships had the LOWEST viewership in NBA history. And Spurs fans are local, NOT statewide. There is no love between Mav, Rockets, and Spurs fans. For the most part, we hate each other. Especially the Mavs and Spurs fans. David Stern and the NBA DO NOT want to see the Spurs advance. They lose mucho $$$$ every time the Spurs reach the finals. At this point, we don't know if Phoenix would pose the same problem to the NBA because you have never gotten that far, have you?
What a joke!!! So you actually think the Spurs draw a bigger market than the Suns? Why don't you read some sports columns? It is widely known that San Antonio is a very small market and doesn't generate much revenue for the NBA. That's why the Spurs 99, 03, and 05 Championships had the LOWEST viewership in NBA history. And Spurs fans are local, NOT statewide. There is no love between Mav, Rockets, and Spurs fans. For the most part, we hate each other. Especially the Mavs and Spurs fans. David Stern and the NBA DO NOT want to see the Spurs advance. They lose mucho $$$$ every time the Spurs reach the finals. At this point, we don't know if Phoenix would pose the same problem to the NBA because you have never gotten that far, have you?
Amen, and I would add that it would be the NBA's wet dream for the Phoenix Suns to win the NBA championship. People love watching the Phoenix Suns. They are a big draw wherever they go, and they play the style of game the NBA wishes every team did. Is a style of play that puts fans in the seat.
Conversely the San Antonio Spurs play the type of game the league would love to see disappear.
If you want a conspiracy where there isn't one ask yourself if it's the other way around. Did the Phoenix Suns finally started getting calls halfway through the fourth quarter yesterday because the league wants Phoenix, not San Antonio, to advance? I think we have an X-File.
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[quote=JulieSpursFan;1358407]What a joke!!! So you actually think the Spurs draw a bigger market than the Suns? Why don't you read some sports columns? It is widely known that San Antonio is a very small market and doesn't generate much revenue for the NBA. That's why the Spurs 99, 03, and 05 Championships had the LOWEST viewership in NBA history. And Spurs fans are local, NOT statewide. There is no love between Mav, Rockets, and Spurs fans. For the most part, we hate each other. Especially the Mavs and Spurs fans. David Stern and the NBA DO NOT want to see the Spurs advance. They lose mucho $$$$ every time the Spurs reach the finals. At this point, we don't know if Phoenix would pose the same problem to the NBA because you have never gotten that far, have you?[/quote]
FYI: July appears to be among many Spurs fans who believe the NBA will do whatever it can to keep San Antonio out of the Finals. Somehow they let it happen 3 times, but doggonit, they won't allow a fourth. It was the same argument the Mavs beat the Spurs last year. Obviously, the NBA favors the big market Mavs with their marketable star and all their ... scoring. The implication now is the Suns are somehow NBA pretty boys and the NBA would rather have Phoenix.
This, of course, flies in the face of the many obvious conspiracies against Phoenix to even be competitive:
- The trick coin that allowed Lew Alcindor to go to NBA favorite Milwaukee, who were then later forced at gun point to trade him to the big market Lakers when the league learned Laverne and Shirley and the Happy Days cast wouldn't actually sit courtside at Milwaukee home games.
- The grainy footage of league officials feeding Truck Robinson rancid pizza.
- The trade Colangelo was forced to make a gun point that sent DJ to Boston for Rick Robey
- The drug "scandal."
- The Portland Trailblazers, who led the world in fouls and technicals during the regular season, but somehow became choir boys in the last 5 minutes of any playoff game.
I could go on, but there's just too much evidence piled up against an anti-Suns conspiracy to not mention it here.
Why hasn't Phoenix, Denver, Portland, Seattle, Utah, Cleveland, Sacremento, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Charlotte, Minnesota, Indiana, Memphis, New Orleans, Toronto, New Jersey, etc.etc. ever been able to land a "super stud" center???
Does anyone know where the current All NBA First Team center plays?
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