2012 Draft prospects - Page 7

Mainstreet · February 14th, 2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsfan88

I would like to see the Suns getting a high 2012 pick without giving up Gortat.

As per Babby's comments about having the cap space to add flexibility to absorb bad contracts and in turn obtaining lottery picks....

I've never seen or heard these comments from Babby especially as a strategy. Do you have a link?

hcsilla · February 14th, 2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jagu

Why would DWill sign with the Suns? You must be out of your mind if he would want to come here. Super unlikely. Plus I don't really like attitude and honestly I'd prefer someone else even though he has talent.

This trade would help the Nets to be able to sign both Howard and Deron Williams.

elindholm · February 14th, 2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slinslin

Markieff is a role player in the NBA, a bench player. A #5 pick is worth much much much more than that.

I'm not so sure. For every Dwayne Wade that you get at #5, there are a couple of Nikoloz Tskitishvilis.

Let's look at the last 30 players who were taken at #4-#6:

2002
Drew Gooden
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Dajuan Wagner

2003
Chris Bosh
Dwayne Wade
Chris Kaman

2004
Shaun Livingston
Devin Harris
Josh Childress

2005
Chris Paul
Raymond Felton
Martell Webster

2006
Tyrus Thomas
Shelden Williams
Brandon Roy

2007
Mike Conley
Jeff Green
Yi Jianlian

2008
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love
Danilo Gallinari

2009
Tyreke Evans
Ricky Rubio
Jonny Flynn

2010
Wesley Johnson
DeMarcus Cousins
Ekpe Udoh

2011
Tristan Thompson
Jonas Valanciunas
Jan Vesely

Just eyeballing the list, I'd say that Markieff Morris would rank somewhere in the middle of that pack. Some of the players are stars, but others never amounted to anything.

jandaman · February 14th, 2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hcsilla

I appreciate your effort but I do think that all above scenarios' probability is very low, at the best.

1st of all who are those star FA's whom they these team would target?
Problem is they are just 2nd tier very good players available like Eric Gordon and OJ Mayo who A. probably won't really solve above teams' lack of veteran leadership and go-to-player B. will be coveted by all the teams having cap space this summer and they are quite a lot of.

BTW, Suns have more cap space than majority of these teams only if we let Nash go.

SAC have everything but a good young core. They have two shoot-1st PG's, a big talented C with huge offground issues, an overpaid SG and some very bad contracts.
I do think that they need a good draftpick than anything else.

CHA have even less assets. Plus everyone needs and will pick Anthony Davis if possible. He is that special.
If CHA wants cap space all they have to do it is let DJ White and DJ Augustin go.

WAS already have a huge cap room (because of Lewis' 12 mil. buyout) and they don't have too much for the future except John Wall, a shoot-happy SG (who wants a big contract now), some F prospects and the stupidest frontcourt ever in the NBA. In other words: they will keep the pick.

MIL seems maybe the most realistic option but even being overpaid Gooden fills a hole at PF.

BTW, does anyone in the NBA wants to offer 7-10 mil. for Beasley? If yes, then Beasley may become quickly one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

Joe Dumars doesn't seem to have problems with handing-out big contracts to his players. After signing Villaneuva and Gordon for ridiculously big contracts he heavily overpaid Stuckey and Prince without even thinking twice.
It would be shocking if he now would turn around and want to reload some of his bad contracts.
If he does a move I think it will be more along packing their pick with one of their bad contracts like for example Gordon or Prince + DET 2012 pick for Monta Ellis.

its not his post, he got it from RealGM, he post there under the same ID as here.

another fan posted the that post.

jandaman · February 14th, 2012, 05:01 PM

I think Suns can potentially get into the top 8, maybe pick 7... if they SWAP their pick and absorb a bad contract...

thats most realistic scenario... unless they TANK the rest of the season and get into top 5 themselves.

slinslin · February 14th, 2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elindholm

I'm not so sure. For every Dwayne Wade that you get at #5, there are a couple of Nikoloz Tskitishvilis.

Let's look at the last 30 players who were taken at #4-#6:

2002
Drew Gooden
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Dajuan Wagner

2003
Chris Bosh
Dwayne Wade
Chris Kaman

2004
Shaun Livingston
Devin Harris
Josh Childress

2005
Chris Paul
Raymond Felton
Martell Webster

2006
Tyrus Thomas
Shelden Williams
Brandon Roy

2007
Mike Conley
Jeff Green
Yi Jianlian

2008
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love
Danilo Gallinari

2009
Tyreke Evans
Ricky Rubio
Jonny Flynn

2010
Wesley Johnson
DeMarcus Cousins
Ekpe Udoh

2011
Tristan Thompson
Jonas Valanciunas
Jan Vesely

Just eyeballing the list, I'd say that Markieff Morris would rank somewhere in the middle of that pack. Some of the players are stars, but others never amounted to anything.

Obviously it is not a given but even the chance to get someone potentially GREAT which is very real picking as high as #5 is worth much more than a PF with limited potential.

jagu · February 14th, 2012, 08:49 PM

I don't see how Morris is of "limited" potential. He's barely played and he's doing pretty darn well for his rookie season. Way better than Earl Freaking Clark. Wasn't it you who said he'll become something slinslin because of how athletic he was?

sunsfan88 · February 18th, 2012, 12:10 PM

Am I the only one who feels like Anthony Davis is a bit overrated?

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Anthony Davis is converting 67 percent of his 2-point attempts, with the majority of his touches coming off cuts, offensive rebounds, fast-breaks, and pick-and-rolls.

According to Synergy Sports Technology, only 20 percent of Davis’ offense comes off post-up, spot-up or isolation plays.

Davis is shooting just 27 percent on jumpshots while connecting on 71 percent of his free throw attempts.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...ny-Davis-3853/

AzStevenCal · February 18th, 2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsfan88

Am I the only one who feels like Anthony Davis is a bit overrated?

I don't know if you're the only one but I sure don't consider him overrated. Keep in mind that his strength is on the defensive end. He can pretty much guard every position.

Steve

jagu · February 18th, 2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AzStevenCal

I don't know if you're the only one but I sure don't consider him overrated. Keep in mind that his strength is on the defensive end. He can pretty much guard every position.

Steve

Dude is rail thin, if he doesn't "Oden" himself then maybe he has a future. I feel like his knees are going to fold up like a Japanese shadow puppet after the show.

AzStevenCal · February 18th, 2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jagu

Dude is rail thin, if he doesn't "Oden" himself then maybe he has a future. I feel like his knees are going to fold up like a Japanese shadow puppet after the show.

Well, Oden was never rail thin. However, Durant was even thinner when he came out. He's not going to win a weight lifting contest but he's pretty solid for his frame and no reason to believe he can't add some muscle to it. Regardless, I'd take him in a heartbeat. He may not be a superstar lock but he's got an incredibly high ceiling.

Steve

jagu · February 18th, 2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AzStevenCal

Well, Oden was never rail thin. However, Durant was even thinner when he came out. He's not going to win a weight lifting contest but he's pretty solid for his frame and no reason to believe he can't add some muscle to it. Regardless, I'd take him in a heartbeat. He may not be a superstar lock but he's got an incredibly high ceiling.

Steve

I like Davis, his build scares me but he has a high ceiling and you can teach that kind of speed, athleticism, at that height along with excellent court vision.

sunsfan88 · February 18th, 2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jagu

I like Davis, his build scares me but he has a high ceiling and you can teach that kind of speed, athleticism, at that height along with excellent court vision.

How can you teach speed and athleticism?

I suppose you can get an athletic trainer to help you with that kind of stuff but not really "teach."

AzStevenCal · February 18th, 2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsfan88

How can you teach speed and athleticism?

I suppose you can get an athletic trainer to help you with that kind of stuff but not really "teach."

Reading his comment in context I'm pretty sure it was a typo. He meant can't teach speed and athleticism.

Steve

SunsFan89 · February 19th, 2012, 12:58 AM

How many here want to see the Suns Draft Jeremy Lamb?