July 8th, 2010, 07:29 AM
|
#196
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,036
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide Et Impera
That article says we may be getting David Lee. Someone try to clear this all up please....
|
All it means is that we could get a player in that price range. If Sarver were just planning on letting the TPE expire, he would have had little reason to acquire one, so it seems the Suns want some flexibility in that regard. If the Suns are doing well mid-way through the season, they may want to trade for a $10M player on a team that is in the cellar.
__________________
"When dealing with the Suns, you really can't lowball them enough." -- Chris Sheridan
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:31 AM
|
#197
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,036
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by joshstmarie
I think 13 a year is a pretty fair price for Lee, especially with boozer signing for 16.
|
Somewhere, it was stated that Sarver liked Lee at $10M, not $12-15M. I'm sure some team is willing to give him ~$13-14M, so he will not be on the Suns. Otherwise, it probably would have been a S&T for Lee.
Either GS gets Lee in S&T or NJ signs Lee in an attempt to steal NY fans.
BTW: $13M would be about 2/3's the price of Amare so that definitely sounds reasonable.
__________________
"When dealing with the Suns, you really can't lowball them enough." -- Chris Sheridan
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:34 AM
|
#198
|
|
DJ Roomba
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Winning Friends and Influencing the People in My Head
Posts: 5,316
|
What did the Suns do with the last big trade exception they had?
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:38 AM
|
#199
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 14,259
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
What did the Suns do with the last big trade exception they had?
|
I don't think anyone would argue that a TE is better than Lee or another player. The last TE (or at least the majority of it) went into Sarver's pocket.
__________________
You have to live life like you don't know any better.
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:43 AM
|
#200
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,451
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
What did the Suns do with the last big trade exception they had?
|
The last big trade exception was acquired in th KT trade. There was no way they Suns were going to use it because if they were willing to pay that luxury tax they would have just kept him.
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:44 AM
|
#201
|
|
DJ Roomba
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Winning Friends and Influencing the People in My Head
Posts: 5,316
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mainstreet
I don't think anyone would argue that a TE is better than Lee or another player. The last TE (or at least the majority of it) went into Sarver's pocket.
|
That's what I was thinking. I tried a search on the board but turned up nothing.
IIRC, the Suns had a pretty big TE the season Amare missed and Nash, Diaw, and Marion took the team to the WCF.
I think it was then but it expired and instead Tim Thomas was brought in (though he did fabulous).
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:55 AM
|
#202
|
|
I'm better than Mulli!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: SoCal
Posts: 10,847
|
if the suns could get the TE they had to do it. if for no other reason for PR reasons. "look, we got flexibility!" i fully expect it go unused.
__________________
I no longer have any idea whether Mojorizen CARES!
"Standing mens bathroom troughs sucked rear nevermind the smell." - OmeneX (This just had to be quoted)
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 07:59 AM
|
#203
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 14,259
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunsTzu
The last big trade exception was acquired in th KT trade. There was no way they Suns were going to use it because if they were willing to pay that luxury tax they would have just kept him.
|
The KT trade was a colossal mistake unless one is a banker.
__________________
You have to live life like you don't know any better.
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 08:22 AM
|
#204
|
|
Public Enemy #1
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 21,276
|
The KT trade exception was under totally different circumstances. We were a taxpayer and using it effectively doubled the price of whoever we picked up. Now, we have a TE that if used does NOT make us a taxpayer depending on the contract being brought in.
Sarver still may not use it, but the actual chances of it being used are much, much better than the KT one.
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 08:32 AM
|
#205
|
|
Welcome to Amareca
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Hannover - Germany
Posts: 12,140
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
What did the Suns do with the last big trade exception they had?
|
That would have put us over the luxury tax. Now we are still 4M$ under the cap have a 14M$ trade exception twice as big as the last one and a 14M$ expiring contract of a very good player.
If we can't get quality picks or talents with that we just suck.
__________________
Tier 1 Noel and McLemore
Tier 2 Oladipo, Porter, Shabazz and Burke
Tier 3 McCollum, Caldwell-Powell, Gobert, Schroeder
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 08:39 AM
|
#206
|
|
The system doesn't work.
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,638
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by slinslin
That would have put us over the luxury tax. Now we are still 4M$ under the cap have a 14M$ trade exception twice as big as the last one and a 14M$ expiring contract of a very good player.
If we can't get quality picks or talents with that we just suck.
|
Patience will be the key to capitalizing on those assets. I can see a team like Indiana or Philadelphia struggling during season, and realize they need to move a big contract and rebuild. A player like Granger or Iguodala could be stolen at that time just like Gasol was.
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 09:04 AM
|
#207
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,451
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaplin
Sarver still may not use it, but the actual chances of it being used are much, much better than the KT one.
|
It would be a complete waste to get it without the intent to use it. They'll likely have to lose 2 2nd round picks just to get the players they could have signed outright, plus they'll be missing out on about 4mil in cap space.
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 10:12 AM
|
#208
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 8,631
|
Lee at $13-14 million for the next 5 years is a major mistake. Players making that much money better be able to create their own offense or be stellar defenders. He has neither of those traits. I know I'll catch hell for this, but give me Channing Frye at $6 million per season over David Lee at $13-14 million. And $6 million is a mistake on Frye unless he does some significant improving.
Joe
__________________
"A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. 'Hear that?' you say. 'That's dynamite, baby.'" - Jack Handy
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 10:15 AM
|
#209
|
|
I'm better than Mulli!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: SoCal
Posts: 10,847
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Mama
Lee at $13-14 million for the next 5 years is a major mistake. Players making that much money better be able to create their own offense or be stellar defenders. He has neither of those traits. I know I'll catch hell for this, but give me Channing Frye at $6 million per season over David Lee at $13-14 million. And $6 million is a mistake on Frye unless he does some significant improving.
Joe
|
i agree with everything you said. and i a BIG opponent of the money we just ponied up for frye. let's not compound one mistake with another.
lee looks like another googs signing, but lee's not as good as googs was.
__________________
I no longer have any idea whether Mojorizen CARES!
"Standing mens bathroom troughs sucked rear nevermind the smell." - OmeneX (This just had to be quoted)
|
|
|
July 8th, 2010, 10:21 AM
|
#210
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 14,259
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Mama
Lee at $13-14 million for the next 5 years is a major mistake. Players making that much money better be able to create their own offense or be stellar defenders. He has neither of those traits. I know I'll catch hell for this, but give me Channing Frye at $6 million per season over David Lee at $13-14 million. And $6 million is a mistake on Frye unless he does some significant improving.
Joe
|
I'm sure Sarver will get someone better than Lee.
IMO, Sarver will pocket most of the TE. I guess the issue, could or would Sarver to do better with the TE. I don't think so.
__________________
You have to live life like you don't know any better.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
Sitemap: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:32 AM.
|
|