Joe Johnson Turns Down Extension Offer From the Atlanta Hawks

Roca Dolla · September 30th, 2009, 09:49 AM

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Say it ain't so, Joe. According to reports, Joe Johnson has turned down the Atlanta Hawks offer of a contract extension believed to be for four years and $60 million. Johnson will be one of the marquee unrestricted free agents in the much heralded 2010 NBA free agent extravaganza starting on July 1st.

Listen, I think Johnson is one of the Top 20 players in the NBA and his all around basketball game makes him one of the best shooting guards. He is at a level just a notch below Kobe and D-Wade.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-atlanta-hawks

Ronin · September 30th, 2009, 10:08 AM

I wonder where he will end up? New York?

DarenG · September 30th, 2009, 10:33 AM

That is actually huge. It also probably speaks to Joe's confidence that the Hawks will ever make enough moves to get it done.

I would be all for the Suns shedding salary cap space between now and then in attempt to bring Joe back. Then again I doubt the Suns would take on that huge contract and keep Amare around. Just don't see both happening.

However, if I had to pick between a guy who can play defense and one that occasionally does....give me the guy who plays defense.

boisesuns · September 30th, 2009, 10:52 AM

sign joe let amare walk

DarenG · September 30th, 2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by boisesuns

sign joe let amare walk

We always talk about starting with a good defensive foundation. That would be a good start to get back here somehow.

hsandhu · October 22nd, 2009, 12:39 AM

Somehow I don't see joe playing for robert sarver again.

slinslin · October 22nd, 2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by boisesuns

sign joe let amare walk

That would be incredibly stupid.

And Joe Johnson is clearly more than a notch below Kobe and Wade. He is roughly the same level as J-Rich when both are the first option.

Top 20 player is definately a stretch and he is 28 by now as well... It was a mistake to let him go, now it is too late to get him back, especially for the money he wants.

mojorizen7 · October 22nd, 2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by slinslin

That would be incredibly stupid.

And Joe Johnson is clearly more than a notch below Kobe and Wade. He is roughly the same level as J-Rich when both are the first option.

Top 20 player is definately a stretch and he is 28 by now as well... It was a mistake to let him go, now it is too late to get him back, especially for the money he wants.

I've got to disagree with you there Slin.
In terms of finishing around the rim in traffic and displaying some "touch" JJ is much better than JRich.
I would also claim that JJ has more of a mid-range game.
He's also a much better one-on-one defender.

overseascardfan · October 23rd, 2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin

I wonder where he will end up? New York?

If he believes the Hawks aren't going anywhere, NY makes no sense. This might sound crazy but maybe he goes to SA. Ginobili is a FA at the end of the year and they aren't extending him, maybe they throw that money to Joe, maybe a little less in return for the opportunity at a ring and a chance to play with Duncan and Tony Parker.

DarenG · October 23rd, 2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by slinslin

That would be incredibly stupid.

Top 20 player is definately a stretch and he is 28 by now as well... It was a mistake to let him go, now it is too late to get him back, especially for the money he wants.

A stretch? You are way off brother. Joe Johnson is to defense what Amare is to offense. When given the choice of an offensive player or a defensive player...you always go defense if all things are equal. I would personally lean towards Joe if given a choice. The only thing that would complicate my decision is that big men are commodity in the NBA and you just can't give them up. If we could find a shut down PF and trade that player for Amare it's a no brainer....you trade Amare in a heartbeat.

Back to Joe. Atlanta as a team ranked #4 in overall defense from the SG position. Joe also had one of the lowest Opponent PERs in the entire NBA. He is one of the best defenders from that position in the league. Now add that he can fill it up for you on any given night. It's not that much of a stretch.

Joe might be a tier lower then Kobe or Wade but you won't get any closer to a tier 1 player then Joe without trading for one of those guys. My preference would be to keep Amare, Barbosa, Dudley, Clark and add Joe. Trade or dump everyone else.

P.S. You had better hope you get a center who can rebound to play along side Amare or keeping Amare becomes a lost cause. If this preseason is any indication, we are about to find out how bad a combination of Amare's rebounding and defense hurt this team more then what he give us on the offensive end.

mojorizen7 · October 23rd, 2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelDog

Joe might be a tier lower then Kobe or Wade but you won't get any closer to a tier 1 player then Joe without trading for one of those guys. My preference would be to keep Amare, Barbosa, Dudley, Clark and add Joe. Trade or dump everyone else.

krazyasiankid · October 24th, 2009, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelDog

A stretch? You are way off brother. Joe Johnson is to defense what Amare is to offense. When given the choice of an offensive player or a defensive player...you always go defense if all things are equal. I would personally lean towards Joe if given a choice. The only thing that would complicate my decision is that big men are commodity in the NBA and you just can't give them up. If we could find a shut down PF and trade that player for Amare it's a no brainer....you trade Amare in a heartbeat.

Back to Joe. Atlanta as a team ranked #4 in overall defense from the SG position. Joe also had one of the lowest Opponent PERs in the entire NBA. He is one of the best defenders from that position in the league. Now add that he can fill it up for you on any given night. It's not that much of a stretch.

Joe might be a tier lower then Kobe or Wade but you won't get any closer to a tier 1 player then Joe without trading for one of those guys. My preference would be to keep Amare, Barbosa, Dudley, Clark and add Joe. Trade or dump everyone else.

P.S. You had better hope you get a center who can rebound to play along side Amare or keeping Amare becomes a lost cause. If this preseason is any indication, we are about to find out how bad a combination of Amare's rebounding and defense hurt this team more then what he give us on the offensive end.

This would've been so much easier if Sarver just gave JJ the FKING 5 MORE MIL HE WANTED. We might've even ogt a championship by now..

mojorizen7 · March 27th, 2010, 08:31 PM

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How sweet would it be to see the reunion of Nash,JJ & Amare next season?
Minus D'Antoni's 7 man rotation,ignorance of defense,stubborn arrogance etc...

Realistically(well,nothing of this scenario is realistic) but i doubt that Nash & JJ could co-exist in the backcourt at this point anyway....not enough dribbles to go around.....and Nash isn't going away.

Interestingly they both made about the same about of $$$ this season.

krazyasiankid · March 27th, 2010, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mojorizen7

bump:

How sweet would it be to see the reunion of Nash,JJ & Amare next season?
Minus D'Antoni's 7 man rotation,ignorance of defense,stubborn arrogance etc...

Realistically(well,nothing of this scenario is realistic) but i doubt that Nash & JJ could co-exist in the backcourt at this point anyway....not enough dribbles to go around.....and Nash isn't going away.

Interestingly they both made about the same about of $$$ this season.

Not just Nash and JJ, but what happens to J-Rich? Does he move to the 3 nd we play a small line-up? Or does he move to the bench as a 6th man, while trading away Barbs? I miss me my JJ

HooverDam · March 27th, 2010, 11:50 PM

Some stupid team who shed a bunch of cap space to try to get LeBron or whoever is going to end up way over paying for Joe Johnson and be a nice team that makes the playoffs but doesn't really go anywhere. Maybe the Bulls if they don't get Wade.

Or the Nets might be a good fit, he could be the star there like he is in Atlanta plus its a bigger market, and they'll again have a high pick and a late 1st rounder from Dallas. I doubt any real big names go there and they'll be looking to do something splashy as they try to move to Brooklyn. In fact I could imagine a scenario where both Amare and JJ go there and re-unite.

C Lopez
PF Amare
SF Yi
SG Johnson
PG Harris

Plus Chris Douglas Roberts, and 2 first rounders and maybe another small FA, that would certainly be a playoff team and the leagues biggest turn around maybe ever.