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regardless of attitude, this is a tremendous loss for uofa for the reasons mao provided. moreover, it is just a continuing saga of bad news for the program. it's a program that's seemingly teetering on the edge of falling into the muck that is the second tier of ncaa hoops. a difficult place to climb back out of (see michigan). just another in a long (recent) line of bad trends.
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what an idiot. what happens when the dude is 60? still "young" money? cripes. idiots abound.
young money= new money.
i think its saying he wasn't born rich. he made his life with his skills and hard work.
that aside, i think its very funny how excited all of you guys were for brandon jennings, and now that he left the dysfunctional program that is Arizona basketball, you guys think you are better off. get real.
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Someone fix UofA's alumni hotline.
1-800-BEATASU? really?
i think its saying he wasn't born rich. he made his life with his skills and hard work.
that aside, i think its very funny how excited all of you guys were for brandon jennings, and now that he left the dysfunctional program that is Arizona basketball, you guys think you are better off. get real.
Slow down there, turbo. At the time when we were excited about him, we had no idea he was this much of a "me-first" guy. Things change, just like opinions. Maybe you should get real.
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Slow down there, turbo. At the time when we were excited about him, we had no idea he was this much of a "me-first" guy. Things change, just like opinions. Maybe you should get real.
if you want to see real "me first", take a look at your coach real quick, if you can find him.
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"I hope Matt Hasselbeck drowns in chunky soup" -BigRedRage plus the 'cuse is all you need.
Someone fix UofA's alumni hotline.
1-800-BEATASU? really?
Slow down there, turbo. At the time when we were excited about him, we had no idea he was this much of a "me-first" guy. Things change, just like opinions. Maybe you should get real.
Not going to happen, he's too busy jocking the greatness of NIT quarterfinal fodder such as Syracuse and ASU to get real. If Arizona is such a mess, I'm not sure what he'd call these programs who Arizona continues to outperform and outrecruit even in a down cycle?
And for all the talk about falling into an abyss, Arizona has made it into the Tourney every year since the Reagan Administration and continues to recruit at a very high level. Yeah, things are what they once were and at Lute's age expecting such is unrealistic. But to suggest Arizona is the next UNLV, Michigan, or NC State (three programs that were quickly derailed due to heavy NCAA sanctions which UA has stayed away from during Lute's tenure) shows a lack of understanding of college hoops history. I supposed you could argue that Arizona could gradually fall off a la Depaul but Lute's lack of support from the administration won't allow that to occur. Lute has too many enemies in Tucson right now that he'd get forced out before the program slid too far. Hell, it wouldn't shock me if he got let go after this upcoming season if they don't advance to the Sweet 16 and 2009 recruiting falls apart.
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Not going to happen, he's too busy jocking the greatness of NIT quarterfinal fodder such as Syracuse and ASU to get real. If Arizona is such a mess, I'm not sure what he'd call these programs who Arizona continues to outperform and outrecruit even in a down cycle?
And for all the talk about falling into an abyss, Arizona has made it into the Tourney every year since the Reagan Administration and continues to recruit at a very high level. Yeah, things are what they once were and at Lute's age expecting such is unrealistic. But to suggest Arizona is the next UNLV, Michigan, or NC State (three programs that were quickly derailed due to heavy NCAA sanctions which UA has stayed away from during Lute's tenure) shows a lack of understanding of college hoops history.
1. I dont think Syracuse had a great season by any means. I think they had a very average year with some bright spots, and will be a contender next year in the tourney.
2. ASU did have a great year.
and if you are outrecruiting and outperforming ASU, then why did Brandon Jennings bolt to Europe, where he will not be on ESPN, CBS, and FSN, and certainly won't be coached by such a wonderful coach as lute, wheras a great players like James Harden and Jeff Pendergraph stick around and grow as players in a growing ASU program. face it, the tides are turning.
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"I hope Matt Hasselbeck drowns in chunky soup" -BigRedRage plus the 'cuse is all you need.
Someone fix UofA's alumni hotline.
1-800-BEATASU? really?
1. I dont think Syracuse had a great season by any means. I think they had a very average year with some bright spots, and will be a contender next year in the tourney.
2. ASU did have a great year.
and if you are outrecruiting and outperforming ASU, then why did Brandon Jennings bolt to Europe, where he will not be on ESPN, CBS, and FSN, and certainly won't be coached by such a wonderful coach as lute, wheras a great players like James Harden and Jeff Pendergraph stick around and grow as players in a growing ASU program. face it, the tides are turning.
You read, right? I'm assuming you do, but then I would think you'd read what has been said not only on this thread, but in newspapers and on websites all over the place. The kid 1) is not smart enough to actually get into the school, and 2) is getting advice from scumbags like Sonny Vacarro. That has NOTHING to do with the University.
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Not my fault he's saying dumb things. If anything the fact that Arizona Basetball is still goes to the NCAA every year while recruiting at a high level after going through all the drama over the last several years (Lute's absence from program, death of Bobbi Olson, headcases off and on the court, the LOA and divorce, underwhelming performance on the court, questions regarding Lute's age and health, Kevin O'Neill hire, Pastner departure, Emmanuel Negedu, Olson/Livengood fued, Christine Torretti, and now Brandon Jennings just to name a few) should tell a saavy sports fan you how strong UA Hoops truly is. Not many programs could survive what UA has gone through in recent years let alone achieve the benchmark for success in NCAA Basketball every season.
Instead of focusing on recruiting at a high level, Euuu of Ehhh should focus on performing at a high level. I'm not going to sit here and compare ASU hoops to the Euuu of Ehhh - we're not on the same playing field. But to me it is pretty evident that one program is on the rise and one program is on the downslope. Will we ever get to the standard that you guys have set over the past 2+ decades? Doubtful. Will you guys fall into the abyss that we've been in for the past 2 decades? Doubtful. But don't act like the current state of your program is anything but a mess.
PS - No need to PMS because I'm having a little fun twisting the knife a bit. It's called a rivalry.
Jennings leaves and UA signs the #5 C for their next class...
Jennings leaves and ASU fans are enamored with Renardo Sidney...
Great players such as Harden and Pendergraph stick around to become better while Budinger, Wise, and Hill cant hold their jock strap...
I can keep the parody coming.
Fact is Jennings is the difference between a Final Four birth and a first weekend exit. There is no doubt we are better off with him on the court than we are with him in Europe. Sure, for the sake of our program we might be better off with Jennings leaving town and Lute promising not to recruit guys like him anymore. Both sides are right, but with Jennings we had a LEGIT chance at a Final Four birth despite UA "spiraling" out of relevance.
Instead of focusing on recruiting at a high level, Euuu of Ehhh should focus on performing at a high level. I'm not going to sit here and compare ASU hoops to the Euuu of Ehhh - we're not on the same playing field. But to me it is pretty evident that one program is on the rise and one program is on the downslope. Will we ever get to the standard that you guys have set over the past 2+ decades? Doubtful. Will you guys fall into the abyss that we've been in for the past 2 decades? Doubtful. But don't act like the current state of your program is anything but a mess.
PS - No need to PMS because I'm having a little fun twisting the knife a bit. It's called a rivalry.
With your idiotic UofA acronym, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
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Jennings leaves and UA signs the #5 C for their next class...
Jennings leaves and ASU fans are enamored with Renardo Sidney...
Great players such as Harden and Pendergraph stick around to become better while Budinger, Wise, and Hill cant hold their jock strap...
I can keep the parody coming.
Fact is Jennings is the difference between a Final Four birth and a first weekend exit. There is no doubt we are better off with him on the court than we are with him in Europe. Sure, for the sake of our program we might be better off with Jennings leaving town and Lute promising not to recruit guys like him anymore. Both sides are right, but with Jennings we had a LEGIT chance at a Final Four birth despite UA "spiraling" out of relevance.
Withy is the #8 C according to both Rivals and Scout.com. Not to mention he looks like a Kirk Walters clone so let me know how that goes.
Bayless = Jennings and you guys are returning essentially the same squad so I don't see how you had a LEGIT Final Four chance unless you argue that Lute would be the difference. Anything can happen in the tourney so I can let that slide for now.
Withy is the #8 C according to both Rivals and Scout.com. Not to mention he looks like a Kirk Walters clone so let me know how that goes.
Bayless = Jennings and you guys are returning essentially the same squad so I don't see how you had a LEGIT Final Four chance unless you argue that Lute would be the difference. Anything can happen in the tourney so I can let that slide for now.
I think he meant Greg Smith who just verballed to UA recently.
I do think some people in this thread need to go back and look at some of the older threads and what they said there about Jennings before they go too far in the rivalary stuff. UA is a rival but not instate for me and I take no pleasure in having been right about Jennings but I do still remember quite vividly being told repeatedly I didn't understand big time college basketball if I really thought it was possible Brandon Jennings wouldn't qualify, and I also remember vividly threads after Brandon played on ESPN where I questioned whether he cares about winning because he seems more interested in playing And 1 mixtape ball. More than one UA fan told me I was wrong and that Jennings was the #1 rated recruit in the country for a reason.
I think a lot of opinions changed here not because Jennings changed but because the longer this dragged on the more UA fans saw the real Jennings that fans of other schools had been talking about for awhile.
I would add a similar thing happened with Kevin Love. Before he played at UCLA lots of people were telling us his dad is a jerk, he's one and done only cares about the NBA etc. While he had a great year and seems to be a good kid who I'll pull for in the NBA I have to admit I wish he'd shown up in better shape(I realize he couldn't work out 8 hours a day in college like he is now) and I agree his dad is a jerk and I wish Kevin would have bothered to withdraw on time so as not to hurt UCLA's APR. I don't hate the kid but I certainly like him a little less now after his time at UCLA than I did before because I realize he really was a rental player.
IN the long run it's probably good for UA that Jennings didn't get in.
plus the 'cuse is all you need.
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