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All Pac-10 teams except UCLA lack great depth. Some teams have good depth and no big star. Other teams have really good starting 4 or 5 but little to nothing off the bench. It's created a sea of mediocrity from 2 to 8. That's just how recruiting has been too evenly distributed across the West Coast the past two years.
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All Pac-10 teams except UCLA lack great depth. Some teams have good depth and no big star. Other teams have really good starting 4 or 5 but little to nothing off the bench. It's created a sea of mediocrity from 2 to 8. That's just how recruiting has been too evenly distributed across the West Coast the past two years.
Have you watched UCLA lately? UCLA is a 5 man team right now, the depth is Aboya, Mata-Real and Keefe. Keefe barely plays and Aboya and Mata-Real give no offense. They play a 7 man rotation where only 5 guys score.
Honestly UCLA is no deeper than the rest of the Pac 10 right now, if they had Roll they would be because they'd have offense off the bench. Obviously they have 2 very experience bigs to bring in off the bench but that's it.
Ahem. For those who are counting, in the Sweet 16, the Pac-10 has 3 [out of 6 to start], the Big East 3 [out of 8, if I'm not miscounting], the Big 10 and Big 12 2 each, and other conferences 1 each. For what it's worth, I think after the Sweet 16, you don't get any reflection at all of conference depth, but of how the very top teams compare. But this weekend, the Pac-10 did OK.
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Ahem. For those who are counting, in the Sweet 16, the Pac-10 has 3 [out of 6 to start], the Big East 3 [out of 8, if I'm not miscounting], the Big 10 and Big 12 2 each, and other conferences 1 each. For what it's worth, I think after the Sweet 16, you don't get any reflection at all of conference depth, but of how the very top teams compare. But this weekend, the Pac-10 did OK.
Yep, they did. Stanford and UCLA narrowly survived, so the conference looks pretty good. It easily could've been just one team in the Sweet 16 though. I have to give credit to both schools for hanging tough against tough opponents.
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Yep, they did. Stanford and UCLA narrowly survived, so the conference looks pretty good. It easily could've been just one team in the Sweet 16 though. I have to give credit to both schools for hanging tough against tough opponents.
And the SEC just as easily could have none, instead of one.
ACC was way over-rated this year. Duke was NOT a top-ten team. Hardly a top-twenty five team.
Wazzu got really good matchups thus far, they got Winthrop and then a Notre Dame team that is just as unathletic as they are but without the execution and experience. I think it could get ugly against UNC this weekend although Tony Bennett could keep it close by taking the air out of the ball. It will also be interesting to see how WSU handles the distractions that will come with Indiana's pursuit of Bennett and with the Charlotte crowd.
Stanford's backcourt gets exposed every time they take the court including against Marquette where it took amazing performances by both Lopez twins just to win a squeaker in OT in front of a friendly crowd. Now they are matched up against one of if not the best backcourt tandems in the country in Texas at a game in Houston.
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I just saw a replay of the final play in the A&M-UCLA game. Sloan got decked, there should've been a foul call IMO. Probably would've been one, had the roles been reversed.
Did any of you see it that way? Or, am I still biased by the gift calls UCLA got during conference play?
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I just saw a replay of the final play in the A&M-UCLA game. Sloan got decked, there should've been a foul call IMO. Probably would've been one, had the roles been reversed.
Did any of you see it that way? Or, am I still biased by the gift calls UCLA got during conference play?
It could've been a foul, but who knows?
Like with Bruce Bowen and NBA refs, UCLA hacks and slaps so frequently that only the grossly obvious ones seem to get called. Also the calls they get away with when they hedge off pick and rolls is flat out amazing but they do it every time down the court so the refs only call the really bad ones.
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3. Re-structure Fitzgerald (TBD)
The Pac-10's lack of quality teams will be exposed in the Dance. The conference is basically UCLA, a bunch of okay teams, and three bad ones. The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 are all better.
you still think the one sweet 16 ACC and SEC are better??
you still think the one sweet 16 ACC and SEC are better??
Mississippi State did handle Oregon rather easily. Not sure what happened to Vandy, although the same Siena team smoked Stanford earlier this year although that was without Brook Lopez. I was definitely wrong on the ACC though, Duke looked absolutely horrible.
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Mississippi State did handle Oregon rather easily. Not sure what happened to Vandy, although the same Siena team smoked Stanford earlier this year although that was without Brook Lopez. I was definitely wrong on the ACC though, Duke looked absolutely horrible.
Duke did - they should have lost to Belmont. They didn't look like an eight-seed, let alone a number 2
Duke did - they should have lost to Belmont. They didn't look like an eight-seed, let alone a number 2
Belmont crapped the bed, they had the game and simply froze up and stopped executing. Things aren't looking so good for Duke, they have zero frontcourt and aren't adding to it in the 2008 class for some reason and will be losing production this offseason in DeMarcus Nelson and maybe a couple others. Too many recruiting failures recently for Coach K, he needs to hit the circuit pretty hard this summer maybe even look for a transfer or JC guy.
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Addressing the Core by Rod Graves:
1. Re-sign Calvin Pace (Miss)
2. Negotiate Extension with Dansby (Miss #2)
3. Re-structure Fitzgerald (TBD)
It was nice to see 3 Pac-10 teams make it to the Sweet 16, but UCLA is the only one, IMO, with a real shot to advance.
Texas' guard play will exploit Stanford biggest weakness and WSU just doesnt have the talent to knock off UNC, they need everything to go right to beat Carolina.
Like with Bruce Bowen and NBA refs, UCLA hacks and slaps so frequently that only the grossly obvious ones seem to get called. Also the calls they get away with when they hedge off pick and rolls is flat out amazing but they do it every time down the court so the refs only call the really bad ones.
I just saw a replay of the final play in the A&M-UCLA game. Sloan got decked, there should've been a foul call IMO. Probably would've been one, had the roles been reversed.
Did any of you see it that way? Or, am I still biased by the gift calls UCLA got during conference play?
Even the LA Times saw it that way they had the pic on the front page of Shipp hitting Sloan's arm.
As for the would have been a foul the other way,the entire game was called that way Collison got a foul when Sloan threw him to the floor. Those refs were bad.
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