Rudy with the worst pocket presence in history?

Card Trader · October 7th, 2007, 07:54 PM

Honestly...the line hasn't been terrific in pass protection, but there are so many sacks caused by Rudy either holding the ball too long or turning into the rush or not stepping up. Is this something that can be taught???

HooverDam · October 7th, 2007, 08:31 PM

I think its a combination of bad line play, not enough short quick routes by the receivers to give him someone to dump off to, and Rudy locking in on one receiver. It does seem to improve as games wear on, I really hope they can at least get decent at this phase of the game or Cal, Oregon and USC will kill them.

Treesquid · October 7th, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Card Trader

Honestly...the line hasn't been terrific in pass protection, but there are so many sacks caused by Rudy either holding the ball too long or turning into the rush or not stepping up. Is this something that can be taught???

only 1 or two of the sacks was from the QB, the line is bad. I know it's not as easy as zeroing in on the QB, but it's bad.

Gaddabout · October 7th, 2007, 09:33 PM

Watched the replay again. Three sacks from UNBLOCKED rushers. Two other sacks came with Rudy not even able to finish his drop.

This is one of the more mobile quarterbacks with decent escapability that ASU's had. Have no idea if he's locking onto a receiver, but I don't believe ASU's ever had a *smarter* QB. Both Koetter and Erickson have been dazzled by Rudy's understanding of reading defenses and learning the offense quickly. Erickson said he's never had a QB who learned his offense so fast.

Card Trader · October 8th, 2007, 05:53 AM

I have no doubt he is smart...I just think he is extremely lacking in pocket presence. Turning into the rush FAR too often and not getting rid of the ball are killing me...

Zeno · October 8th, 2007, 01:34 PM

Rudy with the worst pocket presence in history?

Did you not watch much of brick foot Andrew Walter?

Card Trader · October 8th, 2007, 01:48 PM

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Rudy with the worst pocket presence in history?

Did you not watch much of brick foot Andrew Walter?

And I actually thought Walter had very good presence....don't have to be fast to have good presence.

SunDevilDon · October 8th, 2007, 04:22 PM

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Rudy with the worst pocket presence in history?

Did you not watch much of brick foot Andrew Walter?

From what I used to see, Walter would stay there and hang onto the ball until the last moment, but would get it away and avoid the sacks. He took a lot of hits but got the ball to where he needed too. Rudy is scared to throw it because he doesn't have confidence in his ability, only cockiness.

ArizonaElvis · October 8th, 2007, 04:41 PM

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Honestly...the line hasn't been terrific in pass protection, but there are so many sacks caused by Rudy either holding the ball too long or turning into the rush or not stepping up. Is this something that can be taught???

Who the heck is Rudy? Is that Leinart's nickname??

Zeno · October 8th, 2007, 06:41 PM

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From what I used to see, Walter would stay there and hang onto the ball until the last moment, but would get it away and avoid the sacks. He took a lot of hits but got the ball to where he needed too. Rudy is scared to throw it because he doesn't have confidence in his ability, only cockiness.

He'd hold on too long get hit at the last second winding up with an incomplete pass or Int--his completion % and sack rate weren't very good. He played in a great passing offense with some playmakers at WR and TE--he was severely overrated while he was here still is.

Rudy is completing about 60% of his passes throughout his career, Walter had a career completion % of 54%.

Gaddabout · October 9th, 2007, 09:44 AM

FWIW, coaches are discouraging Rudy from running (like he did the first three games of the year) and instead finding someone downfield for a bigger play.

ASUDave01 · October 9th, 2007, 02:15 PM

Rudy does drive me crazy sometimes. Especially, when he scrambles backwards and takes a 20 yard loss. So many times, my wife and I are yelling at the TV, "Get rid of it!!"

I think a lot of his issues have to do with the poor line play. However, there are times when it seems like if he would just take a step up into the pocket, he would avoid the sack, or at least give himself another second or two. Without going back to the replay and breaking down the blocking, it seems like the line is doing a decent job up the middle, but is having trouble blocking the ends. When Rudy scrambles backward or takes the long drop, he's giving those ends a perfect angle past the line.

Just my non-expert, uninformed opinon.

Skkorpion · October 10th, 2007, 08:18 PM

Andrew Walter is gone so I don't think about him any more.

Rudy seems to be a gunslinger who has been partially restrained by Erickson and ordered to focus on not turning the ball over. The more I think about it, Asudave01 gave a good explanation of Rudy's major flaw.

AsUdUdE · October 11th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Rudy simply doesn't have that internal clock in his head that tells him its time to get rid of it..

I am as big of an ASU fan as there is, but Carpentar is TERRIBLE... and we dont have a SHOT IN HELL of beating Cal, Oregan, OR USC as long as he plays the way hes played..

Im REALLY worried about this weeks game.....

HooverDam · October 12th, 2007, 04:21 AM

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Rudy simply doesn't have that internal clock in his head that tells him its time to get rid of it..

I am as big of an ASU fan as there is, but Carpentar is TERRIBLE... and we dont have a SHOT IN HELL of beating Cal, Oregan, OR USC as long as he plays the way hes played..

Im REALLY worried about this weeks game.....

You're insane if you think Rudy Carpenter is terrible. 75% of D1 programs would kill to have Rudy C on their roster. Does he have holes in his game? Sure. Are they mostly fixable? Indeed.