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View Poll Results: Which team will benefit more?
UofA losing in the First Round of the NCAA Tournament
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ASU making a Run to the Semi-finals or Championship in the NIT
ASU will benefit from playing in the NIT. More games for the freshmen under playoff conditions. The NCAA bid would have been better but we did not earn it.
agreed.. obiviously we ALL would have rather had ASU make the tournament.... but given the circumstances... this could work for the devils in the long run...
and for everyone talking about how recruits look at the tournament as their ONLY measuring tool.. you are wrong... Sendek is proving once again he is a VERY good recruiter, and he only recruits good players, with a good head on their shoulders, that are willing to check their ego at the door and work hard.
That is why ASU is not going to attract these one and done stars... This is the problem UofA is going to start having.. EVERY YEAR, UofA will have to deal with integrating new players into the offense, having a new "star: player learn to play with other new guys, and over time it is going to start to wear on the program....
ASU's Freshman and sophmores are all staying at least 3 years... And over the next 2 to 3 years, you will start to see the difference between a prgram who is always going to be trying to find their identity with new players, and a program that has an identity, and as all these Freshman and sophomores grow, they will become VERY good..
That is why a playoff type enviorment, will only help these kids and the program, while it would do NOTHING for UofA, because next year they will just have all new players anyway......
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and for everyone talking about how recruits look at the tournament as their ONLY measuring tool.. you are wrong... Sendek is proving once again he is a VERY good recruiter, and he only recruits good players, with a good head on their shoulders, that are willing to check their ego at the door and work hard.
Then why exactly is he recruiting Renardo Sidney? And didn't Herb spend an entire summer recruiting Demar Derozan who ended up in bed with Master P and No Limit Records? Both of those kids are one and done's with major red flags.
The only player from Arizona that's leaving is Jerryd and they're bringing a top 5 recruiting class that includes the national HS player of the year. It's very possible a successor is named this summer as well who will inevitably have a quality resume. The rumors of our demise are very overblown.
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3. Re-structure Fitzgerald (TBD)
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Then why exactly is he recruiting Renardo Sidney? And didn't Herb spend an entire summer recruiting Demar Derozan who ended up in bed with Master P and No Limit Records? Both of those kids are one and done's with major red flags.
The only player from Arizona that's leaving is Jerryd and they're bringing a top 5 recruiting class that includes the national HS player of the year. It's very possible a successor is named this summer as well who will inevitably have a quality resume. The rumors of our demise are very overblown.
was it him? or more of the fact that Harden AND Glassor went to his High School...
and I don't think it is any coincedence that Harden is staying at ASU.. in fact I could see him staying his Junior year as well....
And i was not stating your demise.. I was simply saying with the new rules, recruiting is very different... and i think over time you will see big time programs shy away from "star" one-and-done athletes, for the reason that implementing new players every year will hurt any program...
And with another recruiting class comin in, headed by yet another one and done "star", it will be a very difficult season yet again... IMO...
Mean while I ASU will in all likelyhood have everyone back, so a run even in the NIT would make sense that it could serve to benifit ASU, while it wouldn't make any sense for UofA...
This type of reactionary nonsense has been claimed for years with no real evidence to support it. Even when kids were ditching schools left and right before they even enrolled to go to the NBA the star recruits were still being targeted by the big programs.
Let's just imagine UCLA without Kevin Love. Probably not a one seed and he's one and done. Kansas State without Beasley? NIT at best. Same for Arizona without Jerryd Bayless. Indiana's on the bubble without Eric Gordon and Memphis isn't a 1 seed without Derrick Rose. All those kids are probably one and done and they all are tremendously helping basketball programs.
The answer is pretty simple: bringing in kids who can play will help your program even if it is for just one year. I've had about enough of guys like Kirk Walters, Daniel Dillon, and Fendi Onobun. Give me Brandon Jennings, Andre Igoudala, or Jerryd Bayless and their short stops in Tucson over those guys any day. But hey, if ASU wants to keep bringing in guys like Jerren Shipp and Christian Polk and go 9-9 in the Pac-10 every year the rest of the conference is more than happy to accomodate.
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Addressing the Core by Rod Graves:
1. Re-sign Calvin Pace (Miss)
2. Negotiate Extension with Dansby (Miss #2)
3. Re-structure Fitzgerald (TBD)
Sounds like Stern is trying to raise the NBA minimum age to 20. Now I hate Stern, and think for the most part he's wrong 9 times out of 10, but I like this a lot. It'll improve both the NBA and college basketball, and hopefully we'll see less teams take huge risks on 1 and done players that are jumping out too early.
I know the argument against it is basically that you are depriving someone of making a living, but I hardly see that as being the case when they can go to the D-league and make a fine living (i.e. 35K/year is much more than 99% of what most 18-20 year olds are making, so if going to college is a financial hardship, there's always the D-league).
Sounds like Stern is trying to raise the NBA minimum age to 20. Now I hate Stern, and think for the most part he's wrong 9 times out of 10, but I like this a lot. It'll improve both the NBA and college basketball, and hopefully we'll see less teams take huge risks on 1 and done players that are jumping out too early.
I know the argument against it is basically that you are depriving someone of making a living, but I hardly see that as being the case when they can go to the D-league and make a fine living (i.e. 35K/year is much more than 99% of what most 18-20 year olds are making, so if going to college is a financial hardship, there's always the D-league).
I never understood this argument because in any business they have a right not to hire you based on your qualifications, one of which could be a college degree. So, why can't the NBA say "we won't 'hire' anyone without at least two years of college experience?" How is that against the law? Isn't the NBA a private business that can pretty much set its own standards?
I never understood this argument because in any business they have a right not to hire you based on your qualifications, one of which could be a college degree. So, why can't the NBA say "we won't 'hire' anyone without at least two years of college experience?" How is that against the law? Isn't the NBA a private business that can pretty much set its own standards?
could not agree more.. all these people who say..."you can't keep these kids from the NBA, because it is against the constitution, if they are ready, they are ready"... BS
I am a firefighter, and a senior at ASU. I have a beautiful wife and child, I was ready to go become a pharmasutical salesman a long time ago, but the standards in that line of work want a college degree... Is it against MY constutional right now? I mean I have proved that I am MORE than capable of doing it, I have interned with others, and practically my whole family is in some form of health-care...
So Why is it "acceptable" for me to wait and have to get a degree, and not for Athletes to just have to go to school for 2 years.... They don't even have to graduate...
Stern wanted a 2 year rule for as long as I can remember. Stern is right and the NBA has the authority to set its own rules, regardless of what Jermaine O'Neal thinks is racist or what others think about the NBA "denying" kids their future.
I never understood this argument because in any business they have a right not to hire you based on your qualifications, one of which could be a college degree. So, why can't the NBA say "we won't 'hire' anyone without at least two years of college experience?" How is that against the law? Isn't the NBA a private business that can pretty much set its own standards?
Oh, its not against the law. People were never arguing that (that I heard anyway). Their argument was that it was unethical/immoral, not illegal.
Obviously, all of us who have posted here though are in agreement that the NBA can set its own rules (if it can get the union to agree) and there's no problem w/ such a rule either ethically or legally.
It would have been great to make the bog show, because that's a step that making the NIT isn't IMO.
However, there are still a lot of positives to be taken from the NIT. Going deep or winning it all would be fantastic, too. I just hope they can make it to the semis so I can see them at MSG!
It would have been great to make the bog show, because that's a step that making the NIT isn't IMO.
However, there are still a lot of positives to be taken from the NIT. Going deep or winning it all would be fantastic, too. I just hope they can make it to the semis so I can see them at MSG!
chicken, your post jogged some memories.
Last time I was at MSG was in 1969 to see Janis Joplin.
That same fall, I think, I watched Tom Seaver get to within 1 out of a perfect game against the Cubs in Shea stadium. I had never seen a baseball game before and was clueless to what was going on.
And, still that same incredible summer, in a perfect moment of ignorance, while staying with my cousins in Passaic, NJ, waiting to go to freshman orientation late in September at Notre Dame, I declined my cousins' invitation to ride with them up to this thing called Woodstock.
Sounded boring on a hot day. They never made it. Traffic was at gridlock and they turned back after hours of no movement about 10 miles away from Woodstock.
Of course, you're probably young and none of this means anything to you. Old man's meandering off-topic. Sorry.
Well, I wasn't born until the late 70s but those are some pretty well known names you're dropping there...great stories!
I have a friend whose first baseball game was a Nolan Ryan no-hitter. On the way home his dad kept making sure he understood that not every baseball game was like that.
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