Daniel Bejarano de-commits from Texas - Page 3

MaoTosiFanClub · October 3rd, 2009, 11:19 AM

Um, Lute won a Big 10 title and went to a Final Four in his brief time in Iowa City. He continued doing such at Zona, he was just fortunate enough not to have three other HOF coaches in his conference like he did at Iowa.

HooverDam · October 3rd, 2009, 11:26 AM

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Um, Lute won a Big 10 title and went to a Final Four in his brief time in Iowa City. He continued doing such at Zona, he was just fortunate enough not to have three other HOF coaches in his conference like he did at Iowa.

He did more at UA than he did at Iowa as Im sure youre aware. Im not really sure 9 years is a 'brief time' either, but thats neither here nor there.

Your whole 'point' about Herb not being able to do better at ASU than he did at NCSU that you post ad naseum is ridiculous. Why don't Herb improve? Because you say he wont! You never offer points, evidence or examples, its just a fact because you wish it to be.

Furthermore, as is typical of 'predictions' like this one of yours, you don't define the terms, making it awfully easy for you to seem right. If Sendek takes ASU to an Elite 8 at some point has he done better than he did at NCState? Is 2 Elite 8s the barometer? Is it a certain number of NBA players? Is it conference titles? Who knows!

Sendek took over a NCState program that was a freakin' mess when he was very young and made them very respectable. He's done the same at ASU and shown a willingness to change years and years of his personal philosophy (switching to zone d). Will Sendek do better in Tempe than he did in Raliegh? I have no clue, neither does anyone else because the future is unknowable. To continue to claim he can't possibly do more at ASU than he did at NCState though is silly.

overseascardfan · October 3rd, 2009, 12:16 PM

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The only people that would see it that way are internet message board people, sports talk radio hosts, and other kneejerk reactionists. Sean Miller is going to build Arizona into a national contender and Sendek is going to have ASU doing about what he did at State regardless of this recruitment. It's not like we're talking about Kevin Love or Blake Griffin here.

Rational Arizona fans won't get that upset about Bej going to ASU. We all understand that he's operating from a position of weakness considering he first met Bej and his people less than 48 hours ago while the main competition has known him for years. Meanwhile we realize that we're pretty set at SG. Kyle Fogg's been a pretty good player and the staff loves Brendon Lavender. And they have Sol Hill and Momo very capable of playing the 2.

Just the same, ASU fans shouldn't look at Bej choosing UA as a return to status quo. There's definitely playing time issues there with King and Hawkins in the fold and many other wings having been recruited recently.

This recruitment might be more important if this was a true point or post player as those are clearly needs of both programs and an impact player at either position could take both teams over the top. But realistically we're talking about a minimum three year player who'll probably come off the bench as a freshman and compete for starting job as a sophomore. You guys really need to calm down.

I agree, both schools are loaded at the wing, now if this was say Adreian Payne or Terrence Jones then it would be a different story. Despite his Top 40 ranking, both teams could use him but whomever doesn't land him will not be in trouble.

MaoTosiFanClub · October 3rd, 2009, 12:52 PM

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He did more at UA than he did at Iowa as Im sure youre aware. Im not really sure 9 years is a 'brief time' either, but thats neither here nor there.

Your whole 'point' about Herb not being able to do better at ASU than he did at NCSU that you post ad naseum is ridiculous. Why don't Herb improve? Because you say he wont! You never offer points, evidence or examples, its just a fact because you wish it to be.

Furthermore, as is typical of 'predictions' like this one of yours, you don't define the terms, making it awfully easy for you to seem right. If Sendek takes ASU to an Elite 8 at some point has he done better than he did at NCState? Is 2 Elite 8s the barometer? Is it a certain number of NBA players? Is it conference titles? Who knows!

Sendek took over a NCState program that was a freakin' mess when he was very young and made them very respectable. He's done the same at ASU and shown a willingness to change years and years of his personal philosophy (switching to zone d). Will Sendek do better in Tempe than he did in Raliegh? I have no clue, neither does anyone else because the future is unknowable. To continue to claim he can't possibly do more at ASU than he did at NCState though is silly.

It's called using past performance to determine future results. Nothing is 100% but most of the time that rule applies.

AsUdUdE · October 4th, 2009, 05:28 PM

anyone hear an update on the visit today?

MaoTosiFanClub · October 4th, 2009, 05:31 PM

If there was breaking news today it would've been an ASU commitment. Since we haven't heard anything thus far one would assume he's still planning on an in-home with Miller tomorrow and visiting UofA later this week. Unless something happens in the next four of five hours of course.

MaoTosiFanClub · October 4th, 2009, 08:21 PM

Looks like UofA will be in Phoenix tomorrow night and Bej will be in Tucson on Wednesday through Friday. An up-tempo style of play seems to be his preference which would obviously favor Miller.

http://wildaboutazcats.com/?tc1ZPody

HooverDam · October 5th, 2009, 08:49 AM

ASU appears to be sunk in regards to DB, which is super disappointing.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blo...ardobert/64399

http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildaboutaz...sit-by-sendek/

While DB is right to be concerned about ASU having so many guards, Sendek is also right that with ASUs system its more about 1 post and 4 perimeter players, so ASU has a lot more room. And its not like DB wouldnt be a lot more talented that many of ASUs other guys and likely to beat them out.

I was really hoping ASU could get him. Having 2 talented wings with complimentary skillsets would be a tremendous luxury for ASU. With Harden and Abbott they had a driver/slasher and a 'shooter' who couldnt shoot straight and that cost them a lot of times. With Walker and Lockett this year they should have a nice slasher and shooter combo, but those guys are likely not as talented. DB and KK together could make a terrific pair but sadly its looking like it wont happen.

Sendek losing out on both Kyrl and now possibly DB is a really bad sign. Im worried about him using things like Power Point presentations and tons of stats to lure recruits. While they make work on a nerdy egghead like me, I dont know how interested 18 year old kids will be in it.

AsUdUdE · October 5th, 2009, 09:17 AM

yeah.. I have officially given up hope.. once he signs with UofA he will have hate title on him the same way other Phoenix stars have had when they grew up 10 miles from ASU and instead went south.. other players with this dubious distinction: Channing Frye, Jeryod Bayless, Mike Bibby, Richard Jefferson...

I do wonder why he is soo set on not having to fight for PT, maybe in his mind he is nit that good and wants a situation where he won't have to fight, and the team will just hand him a spot in the rotation... UofA doesn;t seem like a team that would do that either.. but we will see...

Arizona's Finest · October 5th, 2009, 10:05 AM

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I do wonder why he is soo set on not having to fight for PT, maybe in his mind he is nit that good and wants a situation where he won't have to fight, and the team will just hand him a spot in the rotation... UofA doesn;t seem like a team that would do that either.. but we will see...

I'm sure thats it.

HooverDam · October 5th, 2009, 10:10 AM

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I'm sure thats it.

His handlers are saying he's concerned about ASUs over abundance of guards and he himself has said playing time is a top concern. So yah...it is it.

Arizona's Finest · October 5th, 2009, 10:55 AM

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His handlers are saying he's concerned about ASUs over abundance of guards and he himself has said playing time is a top concern. So yah...it is it.

Yo genius. I was referring to the part where ASU Dude said he wasn't sure he was that good and didn't want to have to fight for PT.

I am sure DB is pretty confident in his game.

HooverDam · October 5th, 2009, 11:04 AM

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Yo genius. I was referring to the part where ASU Dude said he wasn't sure he was that good and didn't want to have to fight for PT.

I am sure DB is pretty confident in his game.

How does this change anything I said? DB clearly is concerned about playing time at ASU. No one here can possibly know why so speculating on it is stupid. Maybe its a lack of confidence or more likely its a lack of wanting to trust something like his playing time to a Coach, coaches often screw up on stuff like that (look at the ASU QB situation).

The gist of ASUDudes post was that DB is concerned about the abundance of wings at ASU and playing time, and thats true.

MaoTosiFanClub · October 5th, 2009, 11:15 AM

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His handlers are saying he's concerned about ASUs over abundance of guards and he himself has said playing time is a top concern. So yah...it is it.

He also said style of play was a big concern. He also mentioned that Arizona was more energetic in it's recruitment. Bej has also said that Arizona was his dream school growing up. Sure he wants PT< but that's only one of the reasons he would choose UofA (if he does).

Regardless, Arizona is pretty deep at wing as well and I doubt he'd be guaranteed anything with Fogg and Sol Hill respectively at the 2/3 just like at ASU he's got King and whoever emerges from '09. The main reason Arizona is looking good at the moment is Miller is selling the Arizona situation much better than Sendek with ASU. Of course Herb still has time to change that. Nothing is a done deal yet.

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yeah.. I have officially given up hope.. once he signs with UofA he will have hate title on him the same way other Phoenix stars have had when they grew up 10 miles from ASU and instead went south.. other players with this dubious distinction: Channing Frye, Jeryod Bayless, Mike Bibby, Richard Jefferson...

Haha. You mean the dubious distinction of being millionaires who could give two craps what a few internet tough guys think about them?

And this recruitment ain't over yet although it's not looking good for ASU. But it didn't look good for UofA as late as Thursday evening of last week so it's not time to call on the fat lady quite yet.

MaoTosiFanClub · October 5th, 2009, 11:27 AM

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While DB is right to be concerned about ASU having so many guards, Sendek is also right that with ASUs system its more about 1 post and 4 perimeter players, so ASU has a lot more room. And its not like DB wouldnt be a lot more talented that many of ASUs other guys and likely to beat them out.

Miller plays a 4-out/1-in system as well. He just pushes the ball more and uses more pick and roll type plays utilizing wing players and points instead of the weave and heave back screen system Herb utilizes. UA probably has a little more room for Bej but not much. The reason the recruitment has turned is because of Sean Miller. Herb's still got a chance though.