March 21st, 2011, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ajcardfan
He was far more innovative than Def Leppard or Hall and Oates. While those acts I'm pretty sure outsold him by wide margin. I would assume things like innovativeness, originality, popularity, sales, historical and cultural significance, musical skill, etc, should all go into the decision. But, we don't know what the criteria is, and the list of admittees is hard to make any rational sense of. Which leads to the perception of the RRHOF playing favorites, or being unfair.
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I'm pretty sure you're right. Hall and Oates was a singles machine and sold an awful lot of records and Def Leppard had 2 of the best selling albums of all time. I wouldn't have had a problem with either of these acts going into the HOF before Alice Cooper but I just don't see it as a slam dunk either way.
Unless they are using dollar figures or Billboard charts this has to be a very subjective process. Even the things that seem objective can be looked at in different ways. Using just numbers, you could easily make a case for somebody like Status Quo to be there and yet they are practically unknown in North America (one U.S. hit - Pictures of Matchstick Men).
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March 24th, 2011, 02:34 PM
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He was far more innovative than Def Leppard or Hall and Oates. While those acts I'm pretty sure outsold him by wide margin. .
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I'm too lazy to google it, but I'd guess Alice has outsold Leppard and H&O in his career. Cooper has had at least 20 radio hits, including mega-hits like Schools Out, Only Women Bleed, I Never cry, You And Me, Poison and others I'm probably leaving out. Alice has certainly outsold those guys in career concert box office. Not to mention his output has usually been far more innovative musically and conceptually.
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March 24th, 2011, 02:55 PM
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Alice Cooper - 50 million
Def Lepard - 65 million
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._music_artists
Hall and Oates not listd
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March 24th, 2011, 03:13 PM
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Lol..... Status Quo $118 million!
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March 24th, 2011, 03:18 PM
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If Def Leppard makes it into the hall of fame they should induct Robert John Lange at the same time.
He made them IMHO.
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March 24th, 2011, 03:40 PM
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Lol..... Status Quo $118 million!
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Yeah, they hold a lot of records in England. They put out an annual anniversary song that was a medley of earlier rock hits that was always a blast to rock out to. I fell in love with them when I was stationed in Germany in the early to mid 70's and I was shocked when I came back stateside to discover everyone thought of them as a one hit wonder group.
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March 26th, 2011, 12:39 PM
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I was just talking about this with abomb last week. Alice Cooper makes it, when Def Leppard, KISS, and Hall & Oates aren't.
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FWIW, I've seen Kiss, Def Leppard and Alice Cooper within the last 4 or 5 years. Cooper's show was easily the best. Joe Elliot sounded TERRIBLE and the played way too much off of Hysteria which is my least favorite Leppard album. As for Kiss, not only did Paul Stanley sound like he had a cold (I can understand that, the show must go on and I appreciate them not canceling) but they made mistakes in about 1/3rd of the songs. And, I'm not a mucisian so they had to be pretty glaring. Plus, their songs are really simple so it seemed like they were just going through the motions. Those will be the last times I see either Def Leppard or Kiss.
Alice Cooper I would possibly see again. But, concerts have gotten so damn expensive that I have to think pretty hard about each one I have some interest if.
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March 27th, 2011, 12:13 PM
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Hall & Oates ~60M
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March 27th, 2011, 12:37 PM
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While legends like Rush and Lynyrd Skynyrd continue to be ignored!  |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynyrd_Skynyrd#Recognition
On March 13, 2006, Lynyrd Skynyrd was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at the 21st annual induction ceremony. The inductees included Ronnie Van Zant, Allen Collins, Gary Rossington, Ed King, Steve Gaines, Billy Powell, Leon Wilkeson, Bob Burns, and Artimus Pyle (no post-crash members of the band were inducted, nor were any of the Honkettes). The current version of Skynyrd, augmented by King, Pyle, Burns and former Honkettes JoJo Billingsley and Leslie Hawkins, performed "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Free Bird" at the ceremony, which was also attended by Judy Van Zant Jenness and Ronnie's two daughters, Teresa Gaines Rapp and her daughter Corinna, Allen Collins' daughters, and Leon Wilkeson's mother and son.
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March 27th, 2011, 12:42 PM
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Rush is fourth behind only the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Kiss in gold and platinum records for a band and they aren't even eligible yet!
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Rush has been eligible for the Hall since 1999 ...
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March 27th, 2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian in Mesa
Rush has been eligible for the Hall since 1999 ...
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They've never been put on the voting ballot. I'd say no one is really eligible until that happens. Alice Cooper never made it onto the ballot until this year.
And, thanks for the find on Lynyrd Skynryd. I guess I wasn't paying attention that year. 
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March 27th, 2011, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ajcardfan
They've never been put on the voting ballot. I'd say no one is really eligible until that happens. Alice Cooper never made it onto the ballot until this year.
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Yeah, technically a musician or group is eligible for the Hall 25 years after the release of their first album.
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March 28th, 2011, 07:52 AM
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The Rock & Roll HoF reminds me of the Nobel Peace Prize...I don't pay either any mind.
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March 30th, 2011, 06:32 PM
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The Rock & Roll HoF reminds me of the Nobel Peace Prize...I don't pay either any mind.
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Are you sure you aren't pissed off about the Hall and Oates thing? 
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March 30th, 2011, 09:55 PM
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