Rivercard

That's what's great about art. Subjectivity. Since I brought up the Live Lamb disks as exhibit A, I'll now enter all of Phil's work with Brand X as exhibit B and rest my case.

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Bert

I completely agree.

It is always evident, even with my choices. Lots of people (including Mike Portnoy) will tell you that he is better and faster than Carter Beauford, but I think Carter Beauford has a much tastier style of drumming and is more enjoyable to listen to, and thus I will always prefer Carter. So there ya go.

If nothing else you have inspired me to go through old Phil Collins tracks and listen more closely to his drumming. Thanks for that!

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Rivercard

Portnoy is of course is a monster, but I have to admit I haven't paid very close attention to Mr. Beauford. I'll have to dig into that a bit. So thanks to you as well.

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Love them both, however, Phil gets the nod from me in a pretty tight match up. Here's one of my favs from Phil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egJR3...&feature=share.

Saw this live here in Phoenix actually on his farewell tour.

mojorizen7

As a drummer myself for nearly 30 years i'm going to have to disagree as well Bert. I dont think Phil deserves a Medal of Honor in the history of prog/rock/pop drumming,but IMO he was always very good at what he did. He was especially adept at incorporating his superior songwriting skills and being able to infuse that into his drumming style(if that makes any sense). He had a unique style i think...easily identifiable. He knew when to keep it simple and when to stretch it,which is a valuable and rare skill all in its own...LOL.

Anyway, i really love Billy Joel's catalog(except for that horrible "We didnt start the Fire" thing,and they're both incredible songwriters.....but i had to go with Collins due to his superior and versatile musicianship(is that a word?)

puckhead

Phil Collins wore a mullet.

/Thread debate over.

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Pariah

The only reason I even hesitate is because, IMO, Collins' stuff the last 25 years has been really weak. Joel's hasn't been great, either, but it's better than Phil.

Plus, Phil Collins was on Miami Vice. Billy Joel can't say that.

Phil Collins wins.

AzStevenCal

Plus, Billy Joel was on Christie Brinkley. Phil Collins can't say that.

Billy Joel wins.

Seriously though, I suspect this poll would skew more towards Joel if the voters were a little older. I like both of them but I think people in my age group would tend more towards Joel and people that came of age in the 70's and beyond would lean towards Phil.

Steve

O

I disagree. I voted for Phil because of his work with Genesis also.
Arguably one of the most influential bands of all time.
Not only musically but production wise.

If not for Genesis modern automated lighting, for concerts, as we know it may not exist.

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AzStevenCal

Really? You don't think that people that came of age in the 60's and earlier would be more likely to appreciate the soft pop singer/songwriter style of Joel over Phil Collins? I'm not saying that it's true of every "older" person but I seriously doubt that it would come anywhere near the numbers this poll is showing (70% + in favor of Collins).

Steve

Pariah

When did Glass Houses come out? I was under the impression that Joel and Genesis shared roughly the same heyday.

Edit: glass houses came or in 1980, 52nd street in 1978 and songs in the attic in 1981. I think it's safe to say those were some of Joel's biggest records, and roughly coincides with many of the genesis/Phil Collins solo stuff. I don't think age of the board has a lot to do with this. Jmho.

O

One could say I came of age in the sixties and soft pop was never an influence.

Brian in Mesa

This.

Billy is less than 2 years older than Phil.

Basically the same age.

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Pariah

Not to mention, Collins' solo stuff is softer than Joel, IMO.

And, don't get me wrong--I really like billy Joel.

AzStevenCal

Yes, they were contemporaries. My point had to do with style of music rather than when they were popular.

Steve