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Old June 30th, 2008, 04:53 PM   #1
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Harry Potter a Star Wars rip off?




I can actually think of a few more....Ron and Hermione's secret feelings for each other. Harry and Voldemort's secret connection.

Dumbledore and Yoda's death have similarities. Mostly that their deaths signified that Luke/Harry would have to on "alone".

I actually think Hagrid is more of the "Chewbacca" role. Obi-Wan and Luke's relationship is very similar to Harry/Sirius' relationship (both tell luke/Harry a lot about their father....both die fighting trying to save Luke/Harry).

Jedi appear as ghosts while Wizards appear in paintings.

The three "forbidden curses" are eerily similar to "force choke", "force lightning" and the "Jedi mind trick".

Did J.K. Rowling just rip off George Lucas?
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Old June 30th, 2008, 05:08 PM   #2
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Did J.K. Rowling just rip off George Lucas?
No. JK Rowling and George Lucas did a great job lifting timeless material from ancient mythology, particularly Asian mythology.
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Old June 30th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #3
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It's a pretty standard storytelling done very well in both cases. Read (or watch/listen to) any instruction based on Joseph Campbell's "Power of Myth" and you'll find the same structure--starting in a mundane setting the hero is taken out of his element, is challenged, he declines, finds a mentor, is challenged, he rises to the challenge and saves the day. ....or something like that. It's been a while.

EDIT: here's a link. What I was trying to recall from Campbell is "The Hero's Journey." It's standard stuff for movies....http://io9.com/344335/new-proof-that...oseph-campbell

EDIT2: after reading some of the comments on the page I linked to, it's clear a lot of people don't understand what Campbell is talking about in the Hero's Journey. Lucas or Rawlings didn't "rip off Campbell," rather campbell is describing the story structure that's been around since the dawn of language that resonates with man. It's not a story, it's a compelling structure.
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Pariah, I would only disagree on the Lucas part, because Luke Skywalker was a very eager hero. This is why some have argued Han Solo was always meant to be the star of the movie -- he was the unwilling hero.

I'm not sure Potter is a great example of an unwilling hero. It's why I think Ron has the most character development in the books. He's the one who's being transformed. Potter has been given far too much power -- like Luke -- without earning it. Thus, Ron somehow is the unwilling hero of the Potter books without being allowed the primary spotlight.

The more I think about it, Sam Gamgee is the unwilling hero in LOTR, not Frodo. Hmmmmm.
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I just had a buddy equate the Harry Potter character arcs with Scooby Doo. He still read all of them.
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I just had a buddy equate the Harry Potter character arcs with Scooby Doo. He still read all of them.
Ron = Shaggy for sure.

Eddie Izzard equates Shaggy to Falstaf. Funny AND brilliant!
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Ron = Shaggy for sure.

Eddie Izzard equates Shaggy to Falstaf. Funny AND brilliant!
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Ron = Shaggy for sure.

Eddie Izzard equates Shaggy to Falstaf. Funny AND brilliant!
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