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Old April 5th, 2003, 03:23 PM   #1
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Atlas Shrugged


OK - FINALLY finished it. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, it has been on my to-read list for a decade.

Who else has read it? Thoughts?

I thought it was pretty powerful. It is pretty much in line w/my political/economic stance, but I'm sure it would be way open to criticism from others.

PS - I checked it out from the library in January and just returned it. I think I owe them a mortgage payment in overdue charges. Good book - but man was it long!
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Old April 14th, 2003, 05:03 PM   #2
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Ugh, Ayn Rand.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 01:37 PM   #3
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I think I'm going to get a copy of The Fountainhead.

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Old August 24th, 2007, 01:51 PM   #4
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Ayn Rand fascinates me and I agree on much of her philosophy, but on very different grounds. It seems to me that Rand's libertarianism, if taken to its logical conclusion, assumes man is inherently good. Sorry, no go on that one for me. Man is inherently evil in my view, but capable of pacification to a degree. I disagree with her for the same reasons I disagree with Marx on the other end of the spectrum. Ironic, isn't it?
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I have a friend named Galt after this book.

Wonder if I should read it.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #6
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I have it on CD but haven't put it into the iPod yet. I should..
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Old August 24th, 2007, 04:20 PM   #7
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Ayn Rand fascinates me and I agree on much of her philosophy, but on very different grounds. It seems to me that Rand's libertarianism, if taken to its logical conclusion, assumes man is inherently good. Sorry, no go on that one for me. Man is inherently evil in my view, but capable of pacification to a degree. I disagree with her for the same reasons I disagree with Marx on the other end of the spectrum. Ironic, isn't it?
That just makes me sad.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 04:32 PM   #8
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Ayn Rand fascinates me and I agree on much of her philosophy, but on very different grounds. It seems to me that Rand's libertarianism, if taken to its logical conclusion, assumes man is inherently good. Sorry, no go on that one for me. Man is inherently evil in my view, but capable of pacification to a degree. I disagree with her for the same reasons I disagree with Marx on the other end of the spectrum. Ironic, isn't it?
Man is inherently evil? I don't agree. Pressures outside of man (hunger, crowding, dominance etc) may force humanity to be evil, but given a world of contentment the goodness of humanity would be the guide.

Man is inherently good, until acted upon by outside forces which stimulate survival instincts which can lead to evil acts.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 07:02 PM   #9
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I really liked the Fountainhead, but I have yet to read Atlas Shrugged. Perhaps I should add that to my to-do list...
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Man is inherently evil? I don't agree. Pressures outside of man (hunger, crowding, dominance etc) may force humanity to be evil, but given a world of contentment the goodness of humanity would be the guide.

Man is inherently good, until acted upon by outside forces which stimulate survival instincts which can lead to evil acts.
Yep. Pretty much agree. I read something once that when the word "shall not" in the Ten Commandments might have been better translated as "should not" or "can not" because the way we are wired, we, ultimately, will not be happy if we do the things set out in the commandments.


I thought it was interesting.
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Man is inherently evil? I don't agree. Pressures outside of man (hunger, crowding, dominance etc) may force humanity to be evil, but given a world of contentment the goodness of humanity would be the guide.

Man is inherently good, until acted upon by outside forces which stimulate survival instincts which can lead to evil acts.
Thus, the great Ayn Rand debate began again ...

I'm guessing you and Ayn have a LOT to agree on. For some interesting reading, do a search for this: "ayn rand" romanticism. Should pull up some good background.

The rest of the debate belongs in another thread so I won't drag it off topic. I'll just say there's no such as a "world of contentment" on this planet, because ultimately man craves nothing that can satisfy him for life. If you wish to discuss, PM me or start another topic.
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If you wish to discuss, PM me or start another topic.
Naw, let's just say we agree to disagree at the start and save ourselves the bother.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 06:56 PM   #13
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loved the book and the thought provocation. have fountainhead sitting on my nightstand staring at me. though it's been buried by about 20 other books that i've accumulated since i've purchased fountainhead (seems to get pushed further down the reading list each time i buy another book).
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Heh, the game "BioShock" actually makes a few digs at Rand's premise in Atlas Shrugged.

To put it simply - how could a society of the best and brightest succeed, because in the end, "somebody's gotta clean the <expletive>."

http://www.firingsquad.com/games/bioshock_thoughts/
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I have now imported Atlas Shrugged into my iPod. Once I finish the Da Vinci Code in it, I plan to start listening to this book.
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