The Next Three Days...

Black Jesus · June 25th, 2007, 01:28 PM

Within the next three days, the Suns will have a large new look. In addition to our 2 first round draft picks the rumors are large concerning Marion, Amare, Kurt, Banks, Diaw, and Barbosa.

Can we get Kobe? Kevin Garnett? Billups? Rashard Lewis? Paul Pierce? Grant Hill? Camby? Luke Walton? Ben Gordon or Luol?

What about our draft picks, will we trade up in effort to get either of the Wrights, Conley Jr., Brewer, Green, Crittenton, Noah(i hope not), or even Hortford?

Our team is going to be drastically different depending upon what our new GM, Steve Kerr is looking for. I could see the Suns starting lineup consisting of up to 3 new faces.

Here is my wish list:
-Marion, Thomas, ATL pick, Barbosa, + Banks for KG
-#24, #29 and Diaw for top 12 pick.
-Sign Grant Hill and others

But who knows, maybe we will trade our picks away for nothing again this year and not do anything.

dreamcastrocks · June 25th, 2007, 01:31 PM

I'd take Barbosa off of your rumor list. I feel he is more untouchable than Marion/Amare. His skillset, along with his tiny salary will be huge when trying to fill out this team and try to stay too far away from the luxury tax.

Nash and Barbosa are untouchable, everyone else is game.

azirish · June 25th, 2007, 01:46 PM

I don't expect any big trades, but a lottery pick would be very nice.

AsUdUdE · June 25th, 2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Jesus

Within the next three days, the Suns will have a large new look. In addition to our 2 first round draft picks the rumors are large concerning Marion, Amare, Kurt, Banks, Diaw, and Barbosa.

Can we get Kobe? Kevin Garnett? Billups? Rashard Lewis? Paul Pierce? Grant Hill? Camby? Luke Walton? Ben Gordon or Luol?.

did you REALLY include Luke Walton in that group...

Nothing like throwing in the '82 Pinto into the Car show, hoping someone would just lump it in with the others....

Arizona's Finest · June 25th, 2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AsUdUdE

did you REALLY include Luke Walton in that group...

Nothing like throwing in the '82 Pinto into the Car show, hoping someone would just lump it in with the others....

Don't hate - Every GM would rather have Walton than Ike Diogu or Eddie House. And he's like the tenth biggest star alumni currently playing in the NBA.

Luke is no all-star but he is a good player and only getting better.

Black Jesus · June 25th, 2007, 02:09 PM

The only reason I included Walton is because we have heard that rumor. I wouldn't mind him, but I do not think he would be an asset. Any laker-suns trade is news. And I include Barbosa because I believe that we all see that he can NOT be a point guard and has great trade value. We should have traded Boris before last season, and we will be kicking ourselves when we finally realize that Barbosa, although he has a very friendly contract, is a great piece to trade right now. he just has too many weaknesses that are guard related. Great shooter, great at finishing at the rim, extremely fast with the ball, but he is a poor defender and makes poor decisions on the court when the ball is in his possesion.

Honestly though, I dont think that he gets traded, but I DO believe we better prevent LA from getting Garnett, and if that means Marion, Barbosa and Thomsa and this year and next years picks, I am all for it.

Black Jesus · June 25th, 2007, 02:10 PM

honestly, is Grant Hill any better than Walton at this point?

elindholm · June 25th, 2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Arizona's Finest

Don't hate - Every GM would rather have Walton than Ike Diogu or Eddie House.

They'd also rather have Luke Walton than me. So what? Diogu and House are barely in the league.

Walton's a good player, but he's not exactly on the A-List of free agent targets. And the Lakers will probably keep him anyway.

AsUdUdE · June 25th, 2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Jesus

honestly, is Grant Hill any better than Walton at this point?

I am admittadly a bit biased.. Im an ASU Grad... I think Walton is a worse player than he probably really is...

That and what kind of guy Breaks into a Candy machine just to get a candy bar for free?

Luke Walton... Thats who...

Candy machine vendor guys everywhere are afraid of this guy.....

AsUdUdE · June 25th, 2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elindholm

They'd also rather have Luke Walton than me. So what? Diogu and House are barely in the league.

Well Said....

azirish · June 25th, 2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Jesus

honestly, is Grant Hill any better than Walton at this point?

If your goal is to win the championship in the next two years, then the answer is "yes".

Obvously Luke is younger and is a better three point shooter. Hill is a slasher and scores more. Hill's biggest advantage is his ability to get to the line. Hill shoots 0.16 free throws per minute compared to only .073 for Walton.

Gaddabout · June 25th, 2007, 03:44 PM

Walton doesn't do enough of what he does well to overcome what you wish he did better or had more of. Very frustrating player to pin down.

Muggum · June 26th, 2007, 08:18 AM

Yeah, we're a suspension away from the championship... let's deal four of our top seven away... makes a lot of sense.

boldinfan18 · June 26th, 2007, 11:30 AM

this has been fun talking about trades but I just cant wait till thursday so all these threads will stop and we finally find out if the suns will make a trade for kg or to move in the top 5-10 or if they stay put

come on thursday get here already...

azirish · June 26th, 2007, 11:34 AM

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Yeah, we're a suspension away from the championship... let's deal four of our top seven away... makes a lot of sense.

Fans can usually be lumped into "homers" and "grass is greener" types. We can try to be objective, but it is still going to color your views.

Grass is greeners look at all the faults of the team's current players and see all these other guys who look more appealing, at least from a distance.

Homers tend to look at what current players do for the team continue to hope they will get better. Homers do not discount their players' faults, but are less likely to believe the glowing descriptions of the other team's players.

Grass is greeners tend to find somebody they like and try to figure a way to get this player starting with the weakest current players and then adding more guys until the deal is made.

Homers look at who on the team is expendible and look around for somebody that might be had for the expendible player(s).

Grass is greeners are always trying to shake the team up and find it necessary to really trash the team's players in a quest to reduce resistence to making deals.

Homers try to defend the current players and resist the grass is greener attacks.

Both approaches are biased and clearly wrong at least some of the time. At times the disagreement gets intense, irrational, and personal.

Unfortunately, there is no objective way to say which side is right in any particular situation. I'm generally viewed as a homer, but I was wildly enthusiastic about the trade of Marbury and Hardaway for cap space.

The discussion is enhanced by reasonable proponents of each approach. Grass is greeners identify possible trades and ways the team can be improved. Homers provide a critical evaluation of all proposals and some balance to the possibly overly negative views of ones own players and overly glowing views other team's players.

It should be a nice balance, but some people think this discussion is a form of war. It's a game. In fact it is just a game about a game and should be fun.