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Slin pointed out that Amare's base year contract does not expire until July 1 - after the draft. If you try to run a deal sending Amare in exchange for KG; Real GM trade checker shoots it down (even when throwing in more players like KT and Banks).
This doesn't mean a deal might not be done later, but it seems very unlikely that it could be made to work without draft picks. After the the draft those picks have to be costed into the cap exchange as if they were under contract.
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This doesn't mean a deal might not be done later, but it seems very unlikely that it could be made to work without draft picks. After the the draft those picks have to be costed into the cap exchange as if they were under contract.
Incorrect (well sort of). After the draft those picks still have no salary value until the player has actually signed his rookie deal. Until then, they are simply the rights to a player.
However, first round draft picks cannot be traded until December 15th or 30 days after they sign (whichever is later).
The BYC issue actually isn't an issue at all. They simply agree to a deal verbally, and publicize it so no one can back out. Then they actually consumate it whenever the timing works. Remember how long it took for the Kidd/Marbury trade to actually happen after it was announced?
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Incorrect (well sort of). After the draft those picks still have no salary value until the player has actually signed his rookie deal. Until then, they are simply the rights to a player.
However, first round draft picks cannot be traded until December 15th or 30 days after they sign (whichever is later).
The BYC issue actually isn't an issue at all. They simply agree to a deal verbally, and publicize it so no one can back out. Then they actually consumate it whenever the timing works. Remember how long it took for the Kidd/Marbury trade to actually happen after it was announced?
Thanks for explaining this. It's been a sore point and I hadn't heard anyone explain it to my satisfaction until now. Needless to say, Minny is dead set against trading KG AND trading down in the draft, so an exchange of picks in that scenario is out of the question, anyway.
They simply agree to a deal verbally, and publicize it so no one can back out.
Are you sure about that?
The Q for KT deal was publicized widely and then IT changed the conditions of the deal and really jobbed the Suns. "Oral contracts are not worth the paper they're written on." Publicizing the deal does not change that.
The Q for KT deal was publicized widely and then IT changed the conditions of the deal and really jobbed the Suns. "Oral contracts are not worth the paper they're written on." Publicizing the deal does not change that.
What I remember about the Q deal is that because of the physical and the bad back on Q the Knicks wanted the pick that year and insisted on it or no deal. The suns said ok and went ahead and gave them the pick. That is the changed part, it had nothing to do with the deal overall.
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What I remember about the Q deal is that because of the physical and the bad back on Q the Knicks wanted the pick that year and insisted on it or no deal. The suns said ok and went ahead and gave them the pick. That is the changed part, it had nothing to do with the deal overall.
Switching years made a huge difference. The guys the Suns were precluded from drafting in the first round included:
That was what IT said, but it didn't matter. There was no finished contract and he could easily jerk the Suns, which he did.
George,
In a written deal, if there is a problem with a physical, all bets are off!
So, yes this deal did not work out for the suns, but it would have had to be changed wether it was verbal or written, because of Q not passing his physical, and the Knicks not being able to get ins.
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