Phx/LAC

overseascardfan · June 11th, 2008, 09:00 PM

This would be an interesting trade:

Phx sends:

G Leandro Barbosa

LAC sends:

F Corey Maggette S&T 4yrs/28 million
#7 pick (maybe trade down and pick up Augustin) or go with best PF/C available

Maggette won't be retained, Sterling is very cheap. The Clips could use a scoring G like Barbosa and will miss out on Mayo, Bayless, and Rose but Barbosa is better than Westbrook, Augustin.

Maggette gives us a true SF, capable of rebounding and scoring, better than both Diaw and Hill on defense and he is only 28 years old.

Joe L · June 11th, 2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by overseascardfan

This would be an interesting trade:

Phx sends:

G Leandro Barbosa

LAC sends:

F Corey Maggette S&T 4yrs/28 million
#7 pick (maybe trade down and pick up Augustin) or go with best PF/C available

Maggette won't be retained, Sterling is very cheap. The Clips could use a scoring G like Barbosa and will miss out on Mayo, Bayless, and Rose but Barbosa is better than Westbrook, Augustin.

Maggette gives us a true SF, capable of rebounding and scoring, better than both Diaw and Hill on defense and he is only 28 years old.

I am a Clippers fan and why would you trade Barbosa for Maggette? He can opt out in July and you can offer more than the Clippers...easy. Maggette says he wants to opt out for more money but he also wants to get a bigger contract and stay in LA. But to trade Maggette & the 7th pick for Barbosa when Maggette alone is equal to Barbosa is just absurd for the Clippers to contemplate such a deal. No Dice. Try and lure him with more money.

YouJustGotSUNSD · June 11th, 2008, 10:40 PM

Ludicrous.

A) Magette is opting out to be an UFA to make MORE money, not less, he wouldnt agree to that move and most likely wants to stay in LA.
B) Barbs is absolutely NOT worth maggette(their top scorer) AND the #7

He MIGHT be worth TT + #7 if we pair him with Tucker, which would give us a backup PF/C, make room for Thornton to flourish in LA, and allow them to resign maggette for more money without affecting their bottom line.

Nash/Russel Westbrook (#7)/Strawberry
Bell/Brandon Rush (#15)
Diaw/Hill/Giricek
Amare/TT
Shaq/Skinner

That gives us a solid 13 player lineup, a bit more expensive than last year, but keeps us a hair above the tax level if we resign giricek to a Hill-like contract(wishful thinking) and Skinner to the vet min if my estimations are right. Hell, the NBA might skyrocket the cap and tax levels for next season to take the attention off the Donaghy drama, and since only like 3 teams will be able to make any FA deals this summer.

LV-Suns · June 12th, 2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by overseascardfan

Maggette gives us a true SF, capable of rebounding and scoring, better than both Diaw and Hill on defense and he is only 28 years old.

Maggette is not better than Hill or Diaw on defense. Its really not even that close.

overseascardfan · June 12th, 2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YouJustGotSUNSD

Ludicrous.

A) Magette is opting out to be an UFA to make MORE money, not less, he wouldnt agree to that move and most likely wants to stay in LA.
B) Barbs is absolutely NOT worth maggette(their top scorer) AND the #7

He MIGHT be worth TT + #7 if we pair him with Tucker, which would give us a backup PF/C, make room for Thornton to flourish in LA, and allow them to resign maggette for more money without affecting their bottom line.

Nash/Russel Westbrook (#7)/Strawberry
Bell/Brandon Rush (#15)
Diaw/Hill/Giricek
Amare/TT

That gives us a solid 13 player lineup, a bit more expensive than last year, but keeps us a hair above the tax level if we resign giricek to a Hill-like contract(wishful thinking) and Skinner to the vet min if my estimations are right. Hell, the NBA might skyrocket the cap and tax levels for next season to take the attention off the Donaghy drama, and since only like 3 teams will be able to make any FA deals this summer.

Who is going to pay Maggette? Only 4 teams are under the salary cap. Unless he wants to take a mid level exception he is very limited on where he can go if he gets an offer. That is why guys like O'Neal, Artest, and Marion are unlikely to opt out because the small number of teams with cap space. I would be willing to go 8 million a year to sign him to maybe a 3 year deal and he can see what is out there after that.

Also Maggette was their leading scorer because he was their only scoring threat. Who else was gonna score, Kaman! Brand was out so of course he got alot of touches. Barbosa was our 3rd leading scorer and was not the focal point of our offense.

Barbosa has one of the best contracts in the league in regard to production, the Clips need a PG, and get rid of Maggette so Thorton can take his spot.

Joe L · June 12th, 2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by overseascardfan

Who is going to pay Maggette? Only 4 teams are under the salary cap. Unless he wants to take a mid level exception he is very limited on where he can go if he gets an offer. That is why guys like O'Neal, Artest, and Marion are unlikely to opt out because the small number of teams with cap space. I would be willing to go 8 million a year to sign him to maybe a 3 year deal and he can see what is out there after that.

Also Maggette was their leading scorer because he was their only scoring threat. Who else was gonna score, Kaman! Brand was out so of course he got alot of touches. Barbosa was our 3rd leading scorer and was not the focal point of our offense.

Barbosa has one of the best contracts in the league in regard to production, the Clips need a PG, and get rid of Maggette so Thorton can take his spot.

Maggette will get 8 mil + if he doesn't opt out of his last year. He knows his options and he knows the Clippers will be willing to sign him to a better contract.

YouJustGotSUNSD · June 12th, 2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by overseascardfan

Who is going to pay Maggette? Only 4 teams are under the salary cap. Unless he wants to take a mid level exception he is very limited on where he can go if he gets an offer. That is why guys like O'Neal, Artest, and Marion are unlikely to opt out because the small number of teams with cap space. I would be willing to go 8 million a year to sign him to maybe a 3 year deal and he can see what is out there after that.

Also Maggette was their leading scorer because he was their only scoring threat. Who else was gonna score, Kaman! Brand was out so of course he got alot of touches. Barbosa was our 3rd leading scorer and was not the focal point of our offense.

Barbosa has one of the best contracts in the league in regard to production, the Clips need a PG, and get rid of Maggette so Thorton can take his spot.

I really dont get the basis of anything youre saying here.

Thornton will be playing the 4 for the clippers. They dont need to move maggette to make room for him.

I already stated that 3(ok 4) teams are under the cap. that was the point of half of my statement. Maggette WILL opt out in order to get a better contract. Opting out doesnt mean leaving LA, it means renegotiating.

Just because YOURE willing to sign him to a 3y/24m contract doesnt mean the Suns CAN or WILL when we already have Diaw and Hill playing the 3 spot.

Maggette was their only scorer, yes, but how does that refute ANYTHING I said? Maggette can create his own shot, Barbosa is not nearly as good as maggette in that field. Even if Brand comes back 100%, they will still need maggette's production, and thornton will be a great backup for both their forward spots.

You need to get over the concept of maggette for barbs, let alone them throwing in the #7. Seriously. You also need to realize the clippers WILL pay maggette.

It seems like you didnt even read my response, and you didnt bother commenting on it, and all you really did was rehash your delusional post and add in stuff I already brought up, but tried to spin it to affirm your proposal. Don't you think my idea is a little more rational, thought out, and beneficial for both teams? Your trade ROBS the clippers, plain and simple, and you created your own hypotheticals to convince yourself. Mine is still a steal, but its definitely worth consideration.

Your first post was ludicrous and your subsequent explanation doesnt branch out far from that.

cly2tw · June 12th, 2008, 09:19 PM

Logistically infeasible proposal. You can't negotiate a s&t already at the draft night, not to mention Maggette may not be avaialbe for 7 mil.

overseascardfan · June 13th, 2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by YouJustGotSUNSD

I really dont get the basis of anything youre saying here.

Thornton will be playing the 4 for the clippers. They dont need to move maggette to make room for him.

I already stated that 3(ok 4) teams are under the cap. that was the point of half of my statement. Maggette WILL opt out in order to get a better contract. Opting out doesnt mean leaving LA, it means renegotiating.

Just because YOURE willing to sign him to a 3y/24m contract doesnt mean the Suns CAN or WILL when we already have Diaw and Hill playing the 3 spot.

Maggette was their only scorer, yes, but how does that refute ANYTHING I said? Maggette can create his own shot, Barbosa is not nearly as good as maggette in that field. Even if Brand comes back 100%, they will still need maggette's production, and thornton will be a great backup for both their forward spots.

You need to get over the concept of maggette for barbs, let alone them throwing in the #7. Seriously. You also need to realize the clippers WILL pay maggette.

It seems like you didnt even read my response, and you didnt bother commenting on it, and all you really did was rehash your delusional post and add in stuff I already brought up, but tried to spin it to affirm your proposal. Don't you think my idea is a little more rational, thought out, and beneficial for both teams? Your trade ROBS the clippers, plain and simple, and you created your own hypotheticals to convince yourself. Mine is still a steal, but its definitely worth consideration.

Your first post was ludicrous and your subsequent explanation doesnt branch out far from that.

They are not going to pay Maggette and Brand if he opts out and probably will as there is more market interest in him, and especially since Brand will get a max deal. Maggette can play the 2 spot here, so Diaw and Hill can stay at the 3. As for him creating his own shot, he sort of had to because he didn't have a PG to help him. Put Barbosa on the Clippers last year and he averages 20+ a game too. I do not see why you are down playing Barbosa's value when his contract and production make him a valuable commodity.

You forget that Sterling is the Clippers owner and makes Sarver look like Dan Synder and Mark Cuban. Maggette is always the source of Clipper trade rumors, if they can get a quality guard for him, with a reasonable contract it helps them out. As for Tim Thomas, that won't happen as he spurned us for the Clippers 2 years ago, so that is ridiculous.