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I wanted to pull this out of the big thread since it has gotten some comments today.
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Marion
for
#5 Pick (Corey Brewer)
Ryan Gomes
Either Ratliff or Wally
Suns take either Ratliff or Wally depending on if they want salary relief after next season, or if they want an injury prone player that would thrive in a Suns uni (and who makes 13 mil in the final year of his deal).
Ryan Gomes is a young Kurt Thomas. His post defense is actually statistically better than Kurt's (.49PPP to .54PPP and 2 percent better on opponent FG% in the post).
We would then be free to ship off Kurt to a team under the cap, if we could find a taker in order to try and miss the luxury tax next season.
If we take back Wally instead of Ratliff, we can try to package another contract with Marion. I would try to give up Banks, but they absolutely hate him there so there is no chance. When healthy, Wally would absolutely kill for the Suns.
We take a step back, but with Corey Brewer we have a guy that can play lockdown defense. A guy who steps up in pressure situations, but has no problem sacrificing his own numbers for team success. His offensive production would probably be almost as effecient as Shawn's too.
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not bad. I'm not sure about rebounding, but I think brewer can get his own shot. Marion works well for the Suns, but I think you only trade him if it makes the team as a whole better. If you can't replace Marions Stats with a player or two, then it might be better to keep him. I know he makes a lot of money but he fits really well in the system as opposed to other players who we aren't sure about.
not bad. I'm not sure about rebounding, but I think brewer can get his own shot. Marion works well for the Suns, but I think you only trade him if it makes the team as a whole better. If you can't replace Marions Stats with a player or two, then it might be better to keep him. I know he makes a lot of money but he fits really well in the system as opposed to other players who we aren't sure about.
I think the thing that people tend not to realize is that while Marion has impressive stats, they are pretty easy to replace.
A good percentage of his rebounds come from defensive boards with no one else around. Anyone else on the team can get those, it isn't like he is boxing people out fighting for boards. He uses his athleticism to get 2-3 boards a game which would be hard to replace (maybe not though, Amare can do the same thing)
His scoring is based a lot on open transition buckets and some put backs. A lot of those can be easily replaced.
It isn't like we have to worry about filling in 20-10 with new people. Others will pick up most of the slack.
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A good percentage of his rebounds come from defensive boards with no one else around. Anyone else on the team can get those, it isn't like he is boxing people out fighting for boards.
Those are what I call "concession rebounds."
It looks great for Phoenix. Do you really think Boston would do it? At the least they'd want a pick back.
I would rather get Young than Brewer.. so this deal doesn't do a thing for me unless we can turn #5 in like #10 and #11.
Why? I mean both Youngs are good prospects and I wouldn't mind either of them (not sure which you are talking about but I am assuming Nick), but Brewer is ahead of both. Don't you think you are getting a little caught up in the combine results?
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Size was one of the big supposed advantages that Brewer was supposed to have but in fact he is the smallest SF in the draft.
Well I'd rather take Young, Brewer wasn't as good as Young in highschool or as a freshman.
Basically, Young is better physically at everything.
Young is still 18, Young was the better highschool player, Young was the better freshman..
Young is very intelligent, hard worker, gets good grades, stays out of trouble and has no baggage.
I don't see anything that speaks against Young.
Brewer is completely overrated now, last year he was projected in the #16-25 range and now after he had a junior season that was basically a copy of his sophomore season he is a top 10 pick?
Basically what it comes down to for me is the fact that Brewer might eventually make an allstar game or 2 but Young could be a perennial allstar.
Last edited by slinslin; June 7th, 2007 at 02:32 PM.
I wouldn't sell Brewer's ability to make multiple all star teams short though.
Also, if you take Thaddeus Young you can't expect a lot for 2-3 years. Brewer is more NBA ready, and would be a better fit for the Suns since we are clearly in a compete now situation.
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Looks like a ok trade but i'm not sure trading marion mainly just for the number 5 pick for a player your not sure how is going to do in the nba is a good idea or not but I defintally wouldnt be against the trade.
I wouldn't sell Brewer's ability to make multiple all star teams short though.
Also, if you take Thaddeus Young you can't expect a lot for 2-3 years. Brewer is more NBA ready, and would be a better fit for the Suns since we are clearly in a compete now situation.
Well despite people calling Young's freshman season below expectations he averaged
14.4ppg 2.0apg 4.8rpg 48%FG 42%3s
Brewer averaged
13.2ppg 2.9apg 4.7rpg 47%FG 32%3s
I mean there is absolutely no guarantee that Brewer is more ready, from a NBA standpoint Young definately is more ready physically and I would wager that summer league and training camp basically puts most rookies at the same level of being NBA ready. At least I think Young can improve more than Brewer until the season starts.
If we trade Marion for Brewer we can't even say we are in win-now mode. Why would you trade for Brewer then? If you go that route better get the best rookie out of it not the one that is probably more likely to contribute something as a rookie.
Last edited by slinslin; June 7th, 2007 at 02:47 PM.
what the stat sheet doesn't tell you is how aggressive Brewer is on defense... Sure his offensive skills aren't quite polished (they rarely are) but he can come into this league next year and become a very good defender....
Give him 2 years to become accustommed to the league, and He will become a "lock down" Defender..
On the offensive end, the key on him is when he gets his feet set, he is a deadly shooter (ala Barbosa).... and the knock is right now he isn't very good at creating his own shot, but thats what Nash is here for.
Brewer is also already a better passer than Marion IMO, he is constantly seeing the floor and one of his strengths is his ability to find the open man... a quality which would help both him as well as the suns..
Finally, Brewer is a strong blue collar kid who came from a very humble backround. He is a very humble kid who has overcame the odds, and actually has excelled in school... He is a great charactor guy that do nothing but help the Suns Locker Room....
Didnt ratliff sit pretty much all of this last season? Do we want to bring someone in who Boston had for a year and gave up on, has sat on the bench for months upon months, and now we want him to play run and gun ball? I think we would see a diaw-esque performance out of him the year we need to make our best attempt at a finals run. I see him as a 12 million dollar gamble for this team, we need a 12 million dollar investment.
I also dont feel right about relying on a corey brewer type player right out of college. This team needs experienced fast paced talent, not a gamble on a rookie.
Didnt ratliff sit pretty much all of this last season? Do we want to bring someone in who Boston had for a year and gave up on, has sat on the bench for months upon months, and now we want him to play run and gun ball? I think we would see a diaw-esque performance out of him the year we need to make our best attempt at a finals run. I see him as a 12 million dollar gamble for this team, we need a 12 million dollar investment.
I also dont feel right about relying on a corey brewer type player right out of college. This team needs experienced fast paced talent, not a gamble on a rookie.
Ratliff didn't play due to injury. If you read the initial post, he is simply for an expiring contract.
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