Divide Et Impera

Now that the season is winding down, I have seen a few posts around here suggesting trades this offseason. So, Let's flesh out exactly who we have as legitimate tradeable assets.

With Amare, Shaq and Nash as our core, I think we keep Hill, Skinner and Strawberry (really like the kid) along with them. Pike and Marks get to just go wherever the hell they want. This leaves us with Bell, Barbosa, Diaw, Tucker and ATL#1 as our tradeable assets, IMO.

We need a 1 for the future, a 2 and a 3 right now, a backup 4 and a 5 for the future. That represents a lot of needs. So, given our assets and our needs, what is your call for this offseason? Trades? FAs? Stay put?

I'll throw some names out there to get it started:

Collison
Lee
Millsap
Iguodala
Rodriguez
Blake
JSmith
GWallace
MMiller
Pietrus
Salmons
Powe
Foye
McCants
Blatche
Varejao
Mohammed
Warrick
TThomas
Ridnour
Frye
Outlaw

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jandaman

Move 1

Package Hawks pick (No.16~20) + Barbosa to Clippers for Quentin Ross and Tim Thomas

Then trade Bell and Diaw for a resigned Artest.


Suns lineup.

C: O'Neal
PF: Stoudemire
SF: Artest
SG: Ross
PG: Nash

Bench
SF: Hill
PF: Thomas
SG: Giricek
PG: Strawberry
C:Skinner
SF: Tucker
C: Marks
SF: Piatkowski

dreamcastrocks

Horrible idea. Barbosa is staying long term. He has one of the best contracts in the league. I think next year, he starts over Bell.

jandaman

Barbosa's contract is good, but dont let it get in the way of getting better.

Ross and Artest is a huge upgrade in defense and still maintain 3 point threath, Artest is a pretty good inside player too.

Barbosa can only score... if he played defense he'd be one of the better players in the league. With Ross and Artest also, sure you'll miss the Barbosa's instant offense, but again... the defensive impact and minimum loss in offense output far outweighs it.

Maybe, the Clippers can give a future first, maybe 2010 lottery protected pick.

Divide Et Impera

I gotta side with jandaman on this one. His moves make us better overall....

However, either we leave the ATL#1 out of the trade altogether, or they give us thie lottery pick and we throw in Tucker or Strawberry (Barbosa/Tucker/filler/ATL#1 for Ross/Thomas/LAC#1)

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jandaman

Tim Thomas as a Sun again, would also help a lot. Thomas was born to play in this system and with a team that thrives on gunners.

He's 6'10 can play 3 positions in this system.... makes the same as Barbosa... Thomas can also matchup with Odom, Nowitski etc.. because he is 6'10 and a perimeter threath... obviously he isnt a stopper of those players but the Suns match up better and drags defense out from the paint.

Ross will explode in this system, if Bell improved a lot when he joined, Ross will too.. he is only in his 3rd year also...

jandaman

The thing is... Clippers will be looking to extend Brand, so Barbosa's contract will suit them perfect.

Also, since Thornton has exploded... and Kaman playing like he is, they can the make the playoffs next season and cause problems..

There weakest spot is the guard.. so I think they'll part with their pick this season.... assuming there are no more guards that can impact them straight away..

Barbosa can impact them pretty much instantly..

PG: Livingston (Should be okay after injury, been a year rehabilitating)
SG: Magette
SF: Thornton
PF: Brand
C: Kaman

Barbosa
ATL pick
Mobley


Come to think of it,

Suns:
Out: Hawks pick + Barbosa + Tucker + Bell
In: Mobley + Thomas + Ross + Clippers pick

dreamcastrocks

I don't think that it makes us any better at all. Changing 1sts makes it a little easier to swallow, but with D'Antoni's rotations, trading 2 lesser players for one of ours isn't a good idea.

asudevil83

i think Magette ops out after this season. he's been replaced by thorton at the 3, and his value is only going to go down if he stays. and that guy hasnt been happy there for a long time.

Barbosa is a perfect fit for them. with Livingston at 6'7, it affords them the ability to start a small 2 guard.

mojorizen7

Yes.

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dodie53

how much would Artest make?

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asudevil83

for the salaries of Bell/Diaw, you could get up to $15mil, or as little as $10 or so.

YouJustGotSUNSD

I read an article this week wher artest said he wasnt going to opt out

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cly2tw

No Tim Thomas plz.

If Ivaroni still coaches the Grizz, I hope for Diaw for Collins (or even Cardinal) and Lowry. And LB + Atl pick for Miller?
Could we also get Iguadala sign and trade for LB, Raja?

As FA, I'd hope for Gira, Pietrus/Azubuike to split the MLE. Then get Kurt Thomas for LLE. Our lineup would potentially be

Shaq/Amare/Hill/MMiller/Nash with the bench of KT/Cardinal/Pietrus/Bell/Gira/Lowry/Strawberry/Tucker

jandaman

The deal with the Kings,

They have Garcia + Salmons + Martin rotation in the SG/SF positions.
Looking at the lineup..
PG: Udrih/Salmons/Douby
SG: Martin/Salmons/Garcia
SF: Artest/Garcia/Salmons

Is it feasible for them to trade for Bell and Diaw?
The Suns to convince for a resigned Artest trade, would have to re-package the trades.

How about this,
Suns trade Hawks pick + Barbosa to Clippers for Ross + Thomas + Clippers pick
Suns then trade Clippers pick + Diaw + Bell for Artest + Kings future pick (2010, lottery protected)

Its a better incentive for Kings to accept as they get a mid range pick, which they will probably go for a PF/C. Then their lineup for the back court/swing men.
PG: Udrih/Douby/Salmons
SG: Martin/Bell/Salmons
SF: Diaw/Garcia/Salmons
PF: Williams/Diaw/Thomas
C: Miller/Draft pick/Moore/Hawes

Still a log jam at the 2/3, so the Suns can then waive the future pick and accept a Garcia or Moore.... Kenny Thomas would be King's pick but makes too much.

So potentially a trade likely consists of Suns trading Clippers pick + Bell + Diaw for Artest + Garcia



Again... too dependent on Clippers agreeing on the Barbosa trade, but they need a PG/SG, since Thornton/Brand/Kaman has the front court covered and Magette is in his way out.


Bad for the Suns is that the team that has played well the last 3 seasons is broken up...

new faces, Artest, Ross, Garcia etc.
Tim Thomas has shown he can play for D'Antoni and this system, so you can count him as a former Sun/face anyways.


Good for the Suns..
Defense on perimeter is increased ten folds, which would force the other team to focus on isolating Nash as they try to attack him. But thats one hole the Suns can afford... as opposed to have 2-3 holes, when Barbosa and Diaw plays along with Nash. Diaw is a decent post defender but perimeter he isnt as quick as the smaller players.. Bell has regressed some... with Ross and Artest that should more than make up.

The 3pters?? How many 3s did Bell hit before he joined the Suns?
Well Ross is in his 3rd year, has the potential to be even better with the open looks.
Artest hits a few of them too... sometimes he takes too many, but under D'Antoni there isnt such a thing... plus his defense and size neutralizes Anthony, James, Bryant, heck even Boozer, Duncan etc... as Artest can play PF decently... he's huge.