panfolk

I'm trying to figure out how a trade could happen (again) between Phoenix and Seattle to land us Collison in some kind of three party trade to be rid of the Malcontent. Ideally I'd like to involve the Clippers and get Tim Thomas back but I have yet to figure out how to make it happen.

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Phoenix Suns

Incoming Players

Tim Thomas
Salary: $5,632,200 Years Remaining: 3
Corey Maggette
Salary: $7,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
Nick Collison
Salary: $5,750,000 Years Remaining: 4

Outgoing Players: Shawn Marion, Eric Piatkowski


Nash/Banks
Bell/Barbosa
Hill/Magette/Tucker
Diaw/T.Thomas
Amare/Collison/Marks

Suns get deeper

Seattle SuperSonics

Incoming Players

Shawn Marion
Salary: $16,440,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Robert Swift, Nick Collison, Chris Wilcox, Delonte West

SEA gets LAC 08 too

watson/ridnour
szerbiak/Wilkins
durant/gelabale
Marion/green
K.Thomas/petro/sene



Los Angeles Clippers

Incoming Players

Robert Swift
Salary: $2,601,113 Years Remaining: 1
Eric Piatkowski
Salary: $1,219,590 Years Remaining: 1
Chris Wilcox
Salary: $6,500,000 Years Remaining: 2
Delonte West
Salary: $1,889,760 Years Remaining: 1

Outgoing Players: Tim Thomas, Corey Maggette


Cassel/Knight
Mobley/West/Piat
Patterson/Thorton/Ross
Wilcox/Singleton
Kaman/Swift/Davis



clippers improve this summer and get promising replacements for brand.
seattle gets some defense and someone for durant to learn from
suns get deeper and bigger

not sure if the trade is worth it for any but it is interesting.

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elindholm

That trade makes absolutely zero sense for Seattle or Los Angeles. Seattle, which is rebuilding, gives up a bunch of young talent in order to rent Marion for a year or two? And the Clippers, who are in a holding pattern this year thanks to Brand's injury, swap their most tradeable asset (Maggette) for a player they clearly didn't want last time he was a free agent (Wilcox)?

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YouJustGotSUNSD

Youre exaggerating the obvious, but ive yet to figure out why.

He was looking for a way to make it work with BYC. I even said I dont know if its worth it. Hell, I was surprised I found a combination that a) got TT b) got collison c) circumvented the BYC issue d) moved marion. Juggling BYC contracts is a challenge in itself, and usually the first step is a trade that works financially and tweaked thereafter. Mind you, I dont even want to trade Marion, but I'll discuss the idea for 4 months out of the year.

Do you know how easy it is to shut down improbable offseason trade discussion on here? I hope you do, and I hope youre not thinking too hard with all these shutdowns.

Is the only option in your eyes to rehash banks and a 2nd rounder to CLE for newble and marshall?

A better contribution would be an improved trade scenario for the initial request.

At least you didnt bust out the realistic meter this time...

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Calvin

If you're really interested in Tim Thomas just do

Phx - Shawn Marion +future pick

for

LA Clip - Tim Thomas, Corey Maggette, Aaron Williams

LA gets rid of Thomas - who they seem to hate, Maggette - who they've never been able to use right, and Aaron Williams - the kind of guy winning teams bring off the bench but losing teams have no use for.

Marion would be a good complement to Brand if he comes back healthy and would be #2 instead of #3 on that team. Plus if he opts out Sterling saves money next year.

elindholm

What's not to know? Why speculate on a trade that at least one team involved is guaranteed to reject instantly?

I wouldn't be. Making the numbers add up is just arithmetic, if you aren't worried about talent.

Your first step, I guess. My first step is to consider options that, at least theoretically, could have some appeal to everyone involved, and then try to figure out whether there's a way to make it possible financially.

Do you know how easy it is to come up with an absurd trade that "works on RealGM"?

Heck, at least that idea isn't absurd on its face. Cleveland has to make a decision about Varejao, and Marshall is relatively difficult to move at his present salary. Of course there is no way to know what Cleveland's priorities are, but at least we aren't talking Marion and Banks for James and Ilgauskas. (Hey, that works on RealGM, in spite of James's BYC status! I'm not sure if it's worth talking about -- what do you think?)

Constructing trades that are even remotely plausible is pretty tricky business, especially when you're trying to get a bunch of hot young talent for an overpaid role player near the end of his contract.

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azirish

Eric is right on the money.

Trades happen because different teams have different needs, but you have to assume each are trying to improve themselves. There needs to be a clear rationale for why they will act that way.

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overseascardfan

Trades I'd be happy with:


Marion & Banks to MIA

Haslem, Wright, & J Will to PHX

Nash/Williams
Bell/Barbosa/DJ
Hill/Wright/Tucker
Haslem/Diaw
Stoudamire/Skinner/Marks

Sign PJ by trade deadline.


Marion & Banks to NO

Armstrong, West & Jackson to PHX

Nash/Jackson
Bell/Barbosa/DJ
Hill/Diaw/Tucker
West/Armstrong
Stoudamire/Skinner/Marks

Maybe sign PJ at trade deadline.

Diawsome

No thanks to the Miami trade just not enough value coming back in return for Marion and the New Orleans trade isn't allowed due to a BYC player whom I assume is West.

overseascardfan

Ok how about:

Marion & Banks to IND

Diogu, Foster, Dunleavy & Deiner to PHX

Marion & O'Neal would be a nice F tandem in the East

Divide Et Impera

Yeah, I like that trade - IF THEY THREW IN ABOUT 10 DRAFT PICKS!!!!

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overseascardfan

Actually I've seen trades where Marion goes for far less, unless your saying the Suns need to add the picks. We get a rebounder/defender in Foster, a young promising PF in Diogu who we wanted in the draft, Dunleavy is a poor mans Mike Miller, and a backup PG in Deiner and get rid of Banks in the process.

I like it better than getting an injury prone AK, or Swift, Miller & Stoudamire from MEM.

Divide Et Impera

A poor man's Mike Miller?!?!?!?

More like a broke-d**ked man's Mike Miller - and he's on damn near a max contract! So, we lose Marion's albatross of a contract for a comparatively (in every way) worse contract? Pass. If IND threw in 10 picks, I'd be all over it, though....

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overseascardfan

Okay I agree with the contract situation. But Miller averaged 4 more points and 2 more assists than Dunleavy, but Dunleavy is a better defender. Miller shot 40% from 3pt while Dunleavy shot 31%. But whatever switch out Dunleavy for Granger.