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Y'know how they scout/score each kid and then offer up an 'NBA Comparison' to give you an idea of an existing NBA player with a similar game?
Look at 2002!
Mike Dunleavy, Jr... 109 (with perfect 10's in jump shot, passing, potential, and intangibles)... NBA Comparison: 'Larry Bird.' Favorite quote from the scouting report: 'The second coming of Larry Bird.'
Drew Gooden... 107 (with perfect 10's in athleticism, rebounding, NBA Ready, and potential)... NBA Comparison: 'Jermaine O'Neal.' Favorite quote from the scouting report: 'A superstar in the making!'
Nickoloz Tskitishvili... (no score listed)... NBA Comparison: 'Pau Gasol.' Favorite quote from the scouting report: 'Talk in Europe is that he'll be better than Pau Gasol. The sky's the limit!'
Dajuan Wagner... 108 (with perfect 10's in strength, ball handling, jump shot, leadership, and intangibles)... NBA Comparison: 'Allen Iverson.' Favorite quote from the scouting report: 'Capable of scoring at will.'
Jared Jeffries... 103 (with perfect 10's in athleticism - ha!, ball handling, and potential)... NBA Comparison: 'Danny Manning (pre-injury).' Favorite quote from the scouting report: 'Can do things not many 6-10 players can.'
I'm still getting over 'the second coming of Larry Bird.' =)
Oops, should have posted this in the main forum...
P.S. Amare's NBA Comparison was 'Ben Wallace.'
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Last edited by Muggum; June 11th, 2007 at 09:51 AM.
I think what they focus on with the comparisons is body type and athleticism.
Amare and wallace are built like each other and play in a similar fashion, just on different ends of the court.
I have no response for the larry bird claim.
Most mocks just rank players, which is all but useless until the last few days. At best they reflect the buzz from scouts and other insiders. At worst, they are just pulled from a hat and by reading everyone elses's mocks.
Detailed profiles are vastly harder to get than for the NFL draft. I don't follow the NFL like I used to, but pre-draft there were entire books being published that sold very well. But in looking at the math, it is easier to figure out why the NFL is so much easier to track.
1. Fewer teams: 95% of NFL players come from the top 100 schools and most of those from the top six conferences. There are 300 teams playing division I basketball and a huge number of teams in Europe.
2. Fewer games: Counting bowl games, there are only 13 college football games. Most division I basketball teams are playing 32 to 33 games plus up to six tournament games.
With fewer games to review and more real prospects per game in football, it is far more likely that the prospects will get repeated reviews by someone. A college basketball player in weaker school in a smaller conference may be seen far less often if at all. (How many Marsist games did you watch?)
It is hard enough fro professional scouts to keep tract of the college prospects even though they have a smaller raw number to work with; but mock draft serviews simply lack the resources. They rely too much on second had observations and maybe one or two games where too many things are uncertain.
Some guys get very high ratings because they played well on national televison while another gets hurt because of a poor game in the tournament against a superstar. With inconsistent officiating and a weak supporting cast, that is simply not enough.
In the end, the most that NBA mocks can do accurately is forecast who is going where. nbadraft.net is no worse than the rest. The fact that they overvalued Dunleavy is not as important as the fact that they accurately predicted who would take him and when.
Last edited by azirish; June 11th, 2007 at 11:20 AM.
nbadraft.net is mostly based out of hype from the scouts. they do very little on their own. any kid can have a great practice and look the "a superstar in the making" or "larry bird".
it doesnt look like they do much more than take a couple of good scouting reports and roll with it. draftexpress on the otherhand actually updates what they have to say on a player on a game by game basis. they do a MUCH better job of analyzing a player.
nbadraft.net is mostly based out of hype from the scouts. they do very little on their own. any kid can have a great practice and look the "a superstar in the making" or "larry bird".
it doesnt look like they do much more than take a couple of good scouting reports and roll with it. draftexpress on the otherhand actually updates what they have to say on a player on a game by game basis. they do a MUCH better job of analyzing a player.
Except when they don't. Seriously, they list DeVon Hardin at #22, yet their last writeup is from last November. (nbadraft is worse as they will have two year old writeups). I can get absolutely nothing recent on Hardin other than that he was injured.
Likewise, Stuckey is listed at #15 and their last update was in January.
I realize their problem is that they just don't have the resources, but it is pretty frustrating.
They haven't updated Hardin because the kid only played 1 semester. Also, if you go to the related articles section you will see a huge list of articles - all of which mention Hardin is one way or another. Sometimes it isn't worth updating a kid's profile if you just have a blurb about it, but in this section you can go to most frequent posts.
DX while being a fan site, actually has several professional outlets. Jonathan is hired by several European clubs as a consultant on American players - and also has been on conference calls with multiple NBA draft war rooms. He has already had offers to move to the NBA as well.
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They haven't updated Hardin because the kid only played 1 semester. Also, if you go to the related articles section you will see a huge list of articles - all of which mention Hardin is one way or another. Sometimes it isn't worth updating a kid's profile if you just have a blurb about it, but in this section you can go to most frequent posts.
DX while being a fan site, actually has several professional outlets. Jonathan is hired by several European clubs as a consultant on American players - and also has been on conference calls with multiple NBA draft war rooms. He has already had offers to move to the NBA as well.
Usually they are very good, but some guys slip through the cracks.
Usually they are very good, but some guys slip through the cracks.
Definitely, none of their staff is payed as their advertising money barely covers all their travel expenses.
But, it also has to do with knowing how to use the site. The related articles isn't something people usually go to, but it is great to find little tidbits. In fact, after a player stops playing they generally don't update the profile. Why would they, if they are just getting reports from other sources then they cant substantiate it themselves.
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It just bugs me that there are a zillion detailed profiles of 6th round NFL prospects and I can't get anything useful on top 20 NBA guys.
my guess on that would be that a decent amount of 5th-6th rounders come out of the same programs as 1st-3rd rounders. so scouts are able to get a glimpse of the late pick candidates while they are out looking at the high picks.
my guess on that would be that a decent amount of 5th-6th rounders come out of the same programs as 1st-3rd rounders. so scouts are able to get a glimpse of the late pick candidates while they are out looking at the high picks.
I'm sure that's true, but the other problem is that there is just not as much interest in the NBA draft as the NFL draft so there is not the same market for profiles. It's frustrating.
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