NastyOne

http://podcast.1270sports.com/wxyt/520859.mp3

LoL The Suns wanted 2 starters and both their first round picks for Marion and Dumars kills the offer on air saying the Lakers couldnt even get a package like that for Shaq and Marion isnt even our first or second best player. (He never actually mentions the Suns or Marion by name, but you'd have to be a moron not to know whos hes talking about)

Looks like we are asking for the world if anyone wants to trade for Marion.

I wonder if any team out there likes him enough to be bent over by Kerr.

(The Suns piece is more than halfway into the talks)

azirish

I hate this trend toward streaming and podcasts. I much prefered when they did transcripts so we could skim to the meat.

BTW, I read that the Suns counter offered on the Boston deal demanding the Celtics take Banks in the trade. This would require the Celtics to add another player to make the money work.

This is a classic negotiating strategy. Just saying "no" is like saying "maybe". But counter offering with a proposal the other guy is certain to reject is a more clear cut "no".

YouJustGotSUNSD

I think the suns proposal to dumars would be another way of saying no thanks.

Unless they bite for the original or the suns plan on highballing it till they get just two starters or something

az1965

You gotta try hoping that you might pull an Isiah on someone...

BTW, I'm probably in the minority not wanting to trade Marion.

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YouJustGotSUNSD

I dont think anyone would be happy to lose a 20-10 atheltic man that can defend any position.

But they can accept, and roll with, the fact that it may be inevitable considering his salary.

BEERZ

It doesnt make much sense to offer a fair deal right off the bat when both teams are gunna try and squeeze all they can in a deal.

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azirish

Real deals seem to start out pretty close and garbage deals don't.

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WuRaider

Detroit Starters: Chauncey, Rip, Prince, Wallace, Webber

Chauncey is a FA so forget him. The only mix left would be Rip and Prince

So
Rip, Prince, #15, and #27

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Shawn

I think that's a good starting point, the Pistons could probably counter by asking for our #24 and #29 and the deal is pretty much even. I'd be ok with this trade. I've always been an advocate of trading Marion but now that its actually becoming a reality, I'm having second thoughts. He does so many things. Everyone remembers Tim Thomas saving a upset loss against the Lakers last season, but Marion got the rebound. He also got the rebound to beat the Mavs this season. He also double teamed with Nash to knock the Mavs out in six when Amare fouled out 2 years ago.

Its gotta happen though. He's going to ask for a large extension and the team won't have much leverage. I just hope it isnt just a salary dump.

asudevil83

umm....you'd be "ok" with that, but i'm pretty sure Detroit would just laugh and hang up the phone:

you do realize that you are trading for a 20/4/4 guy and 14/5/3 guy in this deal, dont you? adding a draft pick just makes it more laughable.

you'd be hard pressed to find a pistons fan who'd be willing to give up any two of those for Marion.

you are really looking at adding Bell and our picks in that deal if you want anything close to fair.

thegrahamcrackr

I love podcasts. That way I can still work in the background, and listen in while I work. I just don't have time to sit and read everything, let alone transcripts these days. Podcasts/Streaming are simply a very convenient way - also you are a lot less likely to "skim" over things that are important that you may think aren't. Some people have a habit to read over important parts of arguements sometimes

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azirish

I am not saying they should be eliminated, but I prefer transcripts to see exactly what was said. I've watched some D'Antoni press conferences and later got a slightly different feel when looking at the exact statement.

Some of this is jus background. Most of my journalistic experience has been in print. That's where I started and that's where I was trained. So even though I did radio for three years, my segments other than running interviews used written prep.

fordronken

Yeah, but isn't your impression from actually watching him say it in context more accurate than reading it off of a page? What you're saying sounds like you prefer to add your own inflection into what he's saying so that it fits more into what you want it to mean.

azirish

Is that what you do?

For me, it is hard to digest an oral comment before another has been made. I don't remember the exact statement, just the impression it left.

When reading it, I don't have to rely on impressions and can go back to see if there was a context element I missed.

fordronken

I prefer to watch or listen to the entirety of the event. A perfect example is when ESPN ran with Kobe saying "I don't want to leave, I want to be a Laker for life," as him retracting his trade request. But in actuality, if you listen to the whole thing, he still really wanted out.

To me, reading a transcript isn't a full impression of what happened. When you read something, you're giving your own tone to it. Or, if you're an expert mimic in your head, you're supposing what it is they are thinking and how they are going to express it. Personally, I'd rather have the actual source. For example, the phrase "you're a prick", can be either incredibly insulting if it's offered in a menacing way, or light jovial ribbing, if it's expressed another way. If you just read a quote and it says "you're a prick", you the reader are deciding the implication. That has a tendency to be innacurate.