OldDirtMcGirt

Reading some of the Bill Simmons marathon chat and he suggested the following:

Detroit trades Jason Maxiell and Rasheed Wallace for Amare Stoudemire.

YouJustGotSUNSD

I'll pass

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Definitely if we were talking Marion, not Amare....

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dodie53

why not?

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dreamcastrocks

Because it is a HORRIBLE trade package. Even trading Marion for those two would be questionable.

OldDirtMcGirt

For Marion I'd do this in a heartbeat. Sheed is a very good post defender and can shoot the three, as well as bring some toughness to this team. Maxiell is also a good young player who's continuing to develop. I'd do this trade for Amare, but Detroit would have to throw in Amir Johnson and some picks. We'd have a great Big Man situation with Sheed, Maxiell, and Amir, while still being competitive. I think that Amare is overrated here for his offensive ability.

dbUNIT16

For Amare... Hell no!

Honestly, I am no Shawn Marion apologist, but have you guys seen him play lately? There are only a handful of players in the league who can do what he does. His scrappyness, quickness, and athletic ability fit perfect into our running style. We do not win a championship without him. Just wait until he is gone and people wonder what is wrong with this team. If he wants to leave fine. We need to keep him for this year to win a title, without him we have no hope. I really just don't understand how people think we'd be a better team when we rely on quickness and athletic ability, and we trade our quickest, most athletic player for someone like SHEED! Give me a break!

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OldDirtMcGirt

First of all, I don't think we should predicate who we bring in based on a system that as of now has not found any postseason success and has shown serious flaws. Our biggest weaknesses as a team our low post defense and rebounding. Sheed helps us in both of those areas, and his ability to shoot from the outside is also a plus. Maxiell is also a good rebounder/defender.

I don't believe that this team relies on quickness and athletic ability. Steve Nash, Raja Bell, and Grant Hill (in 2007) are very pedestrian athletically. Unselfishness, good conditioning, and three point shooting are much more vital than quickness or jumping ability to this system.

Sheed, Amir, and Maxiell is a better strategy not just now, but in the future. Our bench gets deeper, we got alot more grit, and we get help on defense and in rebounding. Plus, we won't have the cloud of Amare's knees and piss poor defense hanging over this franchise. We could continue to seriously contend for a title now, and we have a bright future with Maxiell and Johnson who will be a dangerous big man combo for years to come.

cly2tw

Unless there is serious concern about Amare's health, there is just no rationale for doing that trade by the Suns. Without an accountable go-to scorer of the caliber of Amare at 80%, we are not gonna win anything in the playoffs just watching the other teams manhandle Nash. Would Rasheed and Maxiell solve that? No way!

DarenG

....Nuff Said!

nowagimp

1) every other system out there looked deficient against the spurs last year. Hmmm is the "spurs system" Tim Duncan or its it pops? Pops wouldnt win crap if they traded Tim duncan for those players AND prince. The suns played the spurs tougher than anyone last year in the playoffs. So all they need is Tim Duncan and then they can change their system to the slow down game.

2) the suns contend now, contend is not win a championship. If the suns want to play the spurs system they wont be able to do it with rasheed and co, thats for sure. none of those three guys finishes in the lane as of now anyway. This would make the suns more of a perimeter team offensively, like they need to be even more reliant on outside shooting.

3) calling grant hill "pedestrain" athletically is kind of funny, the same mold as Nash ehh? Grant looks like a wicked finisher on the break to me.

The suns do have Diaw, Marion and Barbosa, how are those athletes? Only the warriors are substantially more athletic than the suns on the break, and look who they have: Davis, Ellis, Jackson, Barnes, Pietrus(they're sick).

If the suns were rebuilding, I like the idea of amir Johnson, sheed and picks. I also like Rasheed for a slower team. But you might as well unload marion and barbosa and Diaw as long as youre going to trade amare for sheed. Get rid of all the guys who depend on speed to produce or you'll be stuck with their contracts as their stats drop off when sheed comes here and things slow down.

gusmahler

To explain Simmons's reasoning--he says that the Suns have plenty of offense, but no post defender. He says that Amare is a terrible defender. Without Amare, the Suns will have to rely on others for scoring, but will be a much better defensive team. He also thinks we should have traded Amare for Garnett for similar reasons.

Normally, I like Simmons's writing on the NBA. But I don't agree with this trade because 1) I don't think that Amare's scoring can be replaced so easily--Amare was basically built-for Nash's game; 2) the trade would require a complete rethiking of how to run the team.


I do agree with the Garnett trade, though.

mojorizen7

I like the idea behind this proposal but it's not enough for me. Sheeds a nice player.
SUNS need to stop talking about getting better on defense & at some point start spending some $$$ on top notch rebounders/defenders/shot blockers instead of nice guy/versatile/forwards who can score.
If we're discussing moving a Marion...or a Stoudemire...i want a Camby, or an Artest, or an Okefor. Someone who can come in here & change the entire defensive landscape of this team. Bringing in K.T. was a good idea with his low-post defense,decent stroke for a bigman, & his experience, but ultimately was under-utilized IMO & not the answer.
Sadly, as long as DA is in place here, i don't forsee the SUNS making a big move to bring in the type of difference maker's I mentioned above. If the SUNS were to make some type of blockbuster deal involving Stat or Shawn....IMO they'd be looking to bring in another star scorer who can run,pass, & shoot who's probably unfamiliar with the terms..."toughness"..."hard foul"....or "intimidation."

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OldDirtMcGirt

1) The whole thing about the Spurs system is that they can play any system. Ditto with the Utah Jazz. They can go small and run and hit perimeter shots, or grind it out and run the offense through Duncan. The Suns don't have that same versatility to run our offense as effectively in the half court.

2) I disagree about the addition of Sheed making us a more perimeter oriented team. Sure Wallace can hit the three ball, but he has a much more refined back to the basket game than Amare does. He can definitely play down low, and the whole beauty of his game is his versatility. As I said before, we don't need to commit with one system. In order to win a championship we must be able to execute no matter the pace of the game. That's the true sign of an elite team.

3) Grant is a good finisher, but that's more because of his skill and body control. Same with Nash. Both of their games are predicated on their skills, as opposed to being freak athletes like Shawn and Amare. And I'd love to get rid of Shawn for Ron Artest. That would be an excellent upgrade. With a lineup of Nash-Bell-Artest-Diaw-Sheed with Maxiell and Skinner off the bench we'd be an excellent defensive team, with alot of offensive versatility to boot.

TBaslim

For Amare or Marion =

Only realistic trade for either was Garnett (and various filler if it was for Amare).

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