Warner the problem with our running game

az jam · August 16th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Warner is one hell of a passer. He is one of the best in reading defenses and getting the pass off. However his big weakness is he has horrible mechanics on establishing a running game. He sets up too late and moves too slowly for the draw play. His handoffs have never been smooth. Our opponents are aware of the run. When Leinart comes in he knows how to fake handoffs, move in the pocket and doesn't telegraph running plays.
What I am saying is that as long as Warner is the QB our running game will be mediocre. Don't get me wrong he is a great passer, but you guys that have all the video replays, just go back and look at how poorly Warner manages the running game. In my humble opinion managing the running game is his weakness and the passing game is his strength.

As always your comments are appreciated. But please just check out the game videos.

az jam · August 16th, 2009, 05:28 PM

I'm not saying bench him or anything like that. There is no better pure passer. I'm just saying that with him as QB our rb game will be average at best.

Ryanwb · August 16th, 2009, 05:30 PM

I've been thinking this same thing for about a year. Watch how quickly Leinart comes off of center versus Warner. Any additional time the blockers have to block benefits the running game

IAWarnerFan · August 16th, 2009, 05:41 PM

Not Again! This is so last year!

D-Dogg · August 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM

It's true. Right now it's his biggest weakness since he seemed to have gotten the ball control issues down.

But when he is slinging it like he did last year, you suck it up and take the weakness.

slanidrac16 · August 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by az jam

Warner is one hell of a passer. He is one of the best in reading defenses and getting the pass off. However his big weakness is he has horrible mechanics on establishing a running game. He sets up too late and moves too slowly for the draw play. His handoffs have never been smooth. Our opponents are aware of the run. When Leinart comes in he knows how to fake handoffs, move in the pocket and doesn't telegraph running plays.
What I am saying is that as long as Warner is the QB our running game will be mediocre. Don't get me wrong he is a great passer, but you guys that have all the video replays, just go back and look at how poorly Warner manages the running game. In my humble opinion managing the running game is his weakness and the passing game is his strength.

As always your comments are appreciated. But please just check out the game videos.

We made it to the super bowl last year. I think I'll take my chances with Warner.

az jam · August 16th, 2009, 05:54 PM

All that I am saying is that Warner is one of the best ever at directing a passing game but only average ( now, at his age) at managing a running game. He is slow on these mechanics. Rather than argue just look at the film. I'm not saying bench him or that he is a crappy qb just saying that this is not his strength.

Rats · August 16th, 2009, 05:54 PM

Yeah, I think we will take our chances with Kurt....our running game has sucked forever.

Stout · August 16th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Guys, he isn't saying we shouldn't go with Warner, that he sucks, or he shouldn't lead this team. He's simply giving an opinion about his liability in the running game. It sounds like a valid point, though neither he nor I are advocating a change at QB because of it.

az jam · August 16th, 2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IAWarnerFan

Not Again! This is so last year!

So you are against someone voicing an honest observation???? I think Warner is outstanding, I'm just saying that managing the running game is a weakness probably because of his age which impacts his mobility.

Buckybird · August 16th, 2009, 06:06 PM

I doesn't help that this teams strengths and offensive mindset is to pass first, given its weapons in Kurt, Boldin, Fitz and Breaston. If it's 3 & 2 what do you think this team will do? 90% of the time that answer is probably a pass. This Cards team will always pass first and run only enough to keep you honest just like the Rams when Warner played there. Until Kurt is gone or the Oline's run blocking improves thats just the way it will be.

daytripper · August 16th, 2009, 06:15 PM

az jam does have a point KW seems to struggle with getting the RB the ball more often than not. He seems to either be reaching or out of sync. That said, it should be an easy fix for the coaching staff to address.

IAWarnerFan · August 16th, 2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by az jam

So you are against someone voicing an honest observation???? I think Warner is outstanding, I'm just saying that managing the running game is a weakness probably because of his age which impacts his mobility.

He hasn't had much to work with and he didn't seem to hold Faulk back any when he was in St. Louis. He's always been an arena style QB. I'm not arguing that it is a weakness, but it's not really worth noting when this is an arena style offense anyways. He is still one of the best when firing the deep ball.

az jam · August 16th, 2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by daytripper

az jam does have a point KW seems to struggle with getting the RB the ball more often than not. He seems to either be reaching or out of sync. That said, it should be an easy fix for the coaching staff to address.

Thanks for the compliment but I don't think its a fix. Warner is a gunner. He will never be the leader(at his age) for an efficient running game. He loves working out of the shotgun, that is his strength and damn it he got us to the Super Bowl with one of the best passing attacks ever (Fitz, Boldin, Breaston).

This post is not a Warner knock just an observation that he really does poorly on the mechanics needed to establish an running game. That is why we are ranked at the bottom in the league in rushing.

IAWarnerFan · August 16th, 2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by az jam

Thanks for the compliment but I don't think its a fix. Warner is a gunner. He will never be the leader(at his age) for an efficient running game. He loves working out of the shotgun, that is his strength and damn it he got us to the Super Bowl with one of the best passing attacks ever (Fitz, Boldin, Breaston).

This post is not a Warner knock just an observation that he really does poorly on the mechanics needed to establish an running game. That is why we are ranked at the bottom in the league in rushing.

That could also be in part due to an aging Edge and Hightower being a rookie. Again I agree with much of what you said, but who's to say he's had that much to work with? I wonder how he would have looked with Coffee against Denver the other night.