Garthshort

For my draft contest entry I was thinking of going DT in the 2nd round with Tubbs and Washington (and maybe Sopoaga) as my choices. Tubbs is rated the better run stuffer and Washington the better pass rusher. Is there an overall rating, by consensus, as to which DT is better?

BACH

Marcus Tubbs
DT, Texas
War Room analysis
Versus the run: Is a classic two-gap run plugger with the size, base and overall strength to take up space in the middle of the line. He flashes the ability to come off of blocks and pursue, but his motor runs hot and cold. Doesn’t show great penetrating skills and won’t be overly disruptive. Will wear down too easily and play high, but when fresh, he is extremely difficult to generate a surge against. Grade: 8.6

Pass rush: Not an explosive pass rusher. Lacks a lot of moves and is mostly a straight-line bull rusher. He has explosive initial power and will knock offensive linemen into the backfield, and he does a nice job of collapsing the pocket when he’s fresh. Grade: 7.5

Initial quickness: Has had some bouts with weight and is sluggish when he gets too big, but he has been in much better shape in the past year. When weight is in check, he has good initial quickness for his size. Grade: 7.7

Run/pass recognition: Is inconsistent in this area. Does not do a great job of reading screens or batting down balls as a pass rusher. Grade: 7.2

Pursuit/tackling: Has loads of potential because of his combination of size, quickness and athleticism. Shows some ability to change directions once he has penetrated the backfield, and he shows impressive closing burst. Will not make a lot of plays in pursuit or in space and is an inconsistent tackler who doesn’t wrap up well. Grade: 7.4

Bottom line: He is at his best when controlling blockers in the running game and would fit well in a two-gap NFL scheme. He’s a solid second-round prospect.

Rating: 7.7

Donnell Washington
DT, Clemson
War Room analysis
Versus the run: He penetrates well and can be disruptive when fresh and staying low. Has a strong upper body and shows pop at the point of attack, but his effort is inconsistent, and he lacks great instincts. Grade: 7.7

Pass rush: Is tough to block one-on-one and has a great combination of size, power and agility. Gets good push up the middle and has tremendous closing quickness once through the line. He has some power moves but needs to expand his repertoire. Struggles to fight through double-teams and can get frustrated and quit on plays if he doesn’t win right away. Grade: 8.0

Initial quickness: Displays great initial quickness for his size. Anticipates well and excels at jumping off the snap but must be more consistent with his leverage when coming out of his stance. Needs to improve his stamina; he gets worn down too easily. Grade: 8.6

Run/pass recognition: Has much room for development; he must improve timing and ability to recognize passes. He often gets upfield by taking the easy way out, which compromises the scheme. Needs to improve ability to locate the ball, disengage from blocks and pursue after being held up initially at the line. Grade: 7.4

Pursuit/tackling: When willing, he can be a very effective tackler. Tends to wrap up high but is powerful and shines at pursuing and bringing down ballcarriers from behind. Grade: 8.0

Bottom line: Washington has first-round physical tools, but it wouldn’t be surprising if he fell to the second or third round because of his poor work ethic. He has good upside but is very much a “boom-or-bust” prospect, making him a risky second-round selection.

Rating: 7.9

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az jam

Pro Football Weekly rates Tubbs #3 amongst the DTs with a grade of 6.20 and D. Washington #9 with a grade of 5.50.

scot182

the pro football draft mag from sporting news says that washington is kind of lazy and tubbs gets lazy on his diet and gets overwieght alot, , you should go with dockett from florida state

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BuckeyeCardinal

TSN has us going with Washington.

I think I like Dockett better as well.....if you're going with a DT in rd. 2.

Athletically he's a first round pick.....but since he weighs only about 285 and is short at 6'2" people have him in round 2.

We've had some success with Florida State picks.

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spanky1

Marcus Tubbs is SHOOTING up the mock draft boards and while at one time it looked like we might have a shot at him at #33, those hopes are slim at this time.

Why.......according to www.profootballweekly.com he has shed a further bunch of weight and is now down to 310 lbs. He has a real committment to the game these days and is motivated to be "the best that he can be". He apparently is demonstrating leadership skills that he never did before.

He wants to play a one gap DT position versus a nose tackle role, (although he did say he'd play where ever).

It is looking more and more that if we go DT at #33, it will have to be Washington or else defer to round #3.

Snakester

I have watched a lot of tape on Marcus Tubbs and he would be my choice by far. He is the complete package as a DT. He can stop the run, hold up at the point of attack, get to the QB and he can be either a one or two gap player.

BuckeyeCardinal

Sounds good to me.

How ya doin my friend?

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Snakester

Hey Buckeye, how's it goin. Looking forward to seeing you again this year. If you want you and your bunch can stop by the house this year for a barbecue. Let me know when your coming down and I'll pick up some extra beer. I taped four Texas games this year and watched a lot of Tubbs and I think he is going to be a good DT.

BuckeyeCardinal

Barbecue....ummmmm....if I'm with em we'll work it out....thanks buddy.

I'm for Tubbs then cause I know you know your shiet.

We'll try to stop in and seeya.....I've got some crazy hiking shiet goin on that may stop me from stoppin in NC this year after Topsail Island.

I'll let let ya know one way or the other.......the better half has reservations in Greensboro....I may be hiking in Virginny at that time....again I'll let ya know....tell your better half mine sez hello....she enjoyed our meeting in Winston-Salem.

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CardinalChris

Why do we need a 285 lbs DT???

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vikesfan

WTF Tubbs doesn't need to be losing weight. He is a classic two gapper and the Cards need a two gapper at DT they have there in 1 gapper in Bryant or King. Tubbs is a worker that is a key at DT. Did he really say he wants to be a 1 gapper? Forget that we need a big body like his stuffing the middle up.

I like the idea of taking Tubbs at #33 if no one better falls through. On the other hand there might be a decent DT in round 3. So address DT in round 3 and address another position round 2.
So many holes

Dockett smells like a bust he has had a slew of offield issues and is a 1 gapper.
D Washington never produced big time and also has work issues.

Savage58

Tubbs has a 1st round grade, Washington Late 2nd.

Tubbs is a more complete DT, where Washington has alot of learning to do, so his potential may be higher, but then you're hoping to achieve something that just might not be there.

Tubbs = better now, safer. #4 among the DT prospects here.

Washington = Raw, potential. #7

Easy choice for you.

I don't think we have a chance at Tubbs in the 2nd round, he'll be LONG GONE, but I hope I'm wrong, because he'd fit in great at NT for us, and be a great value pick, further boosting my opinion of the Cardinal scouting staff, which has been lacking the past few years.

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