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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:46 AM   #16
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The question is what he will do if given another chance.
There's no doubt in my mind that he will run really, really hard and fight for every extra foot in an attempt to make up for his time on the bench. One other thing to consider, is that his legs will be as fresh as can be for December.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:47 AM   #17
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The question is what he will do if given another chance.
I can answer that. He will average right about 2.5 to 3 yards per carry. Likely fumble at the most inopportune time and be exactly what you have seen since about game 2.

Basically doing what Hightower has been doing IMHO.

I dont think any RB can be successful with them. Maybe jj would have a shot because hes more shifty and quick and could make a few of the DL exploding into the backfield miss on occasion but I just dunno.

I dunno why but that O-line has been so bad it is really unbelievable. It is amazing again how many times the DL and LB'ers are in the backfield straight away after the ball is snapped. Its getting to the point where I really believe they need to blow up the whole unit and start over. They are proving that they can't even pick up complicated blitz packages as well.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM   #18
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Teh line wasn't an issue until the team made Hightower the starter and they shifted to the shotgun all the time offense. They are being bombarded because teams can send 7 guys every play knowing a pass is coming or that the dreadlocked rookie will not hit the hole. It all stems from the RB change which was ill-advised and now we see what 4 weeks in a row of bad coaching has turned into.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:56 AM   #19
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Teh line wasn't an issue until the team made Hightower the starter and they shifted to the shotgun all the time offense. They are being bombarded because teams can send 7 guys every play knowing a pass is coming or that the dreadlocked rookie will not hit the hole. It all stems from the RB change which was ill-advised and now we see what 4 weeks in a row of bad coaching has turned into.
Nope. You aint watching. We had some holes to run in the first few games of the seaon. But the holes didnt close just because the rook started running. The DL and LB are in the backfield quickly and with regularity over the last 4 games. Its an astounding difference.

Thats all on the O-line. I really dont think any RB would have a chance.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:57 AM   #20
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Actually the switch to Hightower was auspicious in that the Cardinals won the three straight games that have enabled them to win the West...and two of them were on the road.

Since then Arrington has emerged as the best fit.

Going back to Edge now would be an iffy proposition. There's no telling where his head is right now and it would cause some of the players to question the coaches' credibility.

The priority of this offense remains to get the ball in the hands of Q, Fitz, Breaston and now Arrington.

As for Hightower...let's remember he is still a rookie. With a huge off-season heshould be far more physically and emntally prepared to take on a more prominent role.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:01 AM   #21
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personally, I don't think it makes much of a difference (we were going shotgun almost every play when Edge was in there against Carolina/2nd half of Dallas in his last two starts) but who knows.

I do know the season started to take an ugly turn when Jekyll and Hyde Warner popped backed up. Our D is wayyyyyyyy too mediocre to have our QB leading the league in turnovers again.
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Nope. You aint watching. We had some holes to run in the first few games of the seaon. But the holes didnt close just because the rook started running. The DL and LB are in the backfield quickly and with regularity over the last 4 games. Its an astounding difference.

Thats all on the O-line. I really dont think any RB would have a chance.
I would like to point out, Shane, that a RB in this system is at a bit of a disadvantage in the traditional running sense. Because of all the shotgun formations the Cardinals run, when Warner does get over center and the line is showing run blocking stances, it's a giveaway to the other team that the ball is going to Hightower. And, the one running play they've used over and over out of the shotgun is the delayed draw, which has ammounted to the delay three yard loss, because the coaches don't realize that the other teams are trying to storm the middle anyway to put heat on Warner. And Hightower can't get a running start.
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I do know the season started to take an ugly turn when Jekyll and Hyde Warner popped backed up. Our D is wayyyyyyyy too mediocre to have our QB leading the league in turnovers again.
I am with Beefy on this statement.

Forgot all about Jekyll and Hyde Warner Ain't it the truth tho.

Warner is going to have games like this, and he had another one last night.
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personally, I don't think it makes much of a difference (we were going shotgun almost every play when Edge was in there against Carolina/2nd half of Dallas in his last two starts) but who knows.

I do know the season started to take an ugly turn when Jekyll and Hyde Warner popped backed up. Our D is wayyyyyyyy too mediocre to have our QB leading the league in turnovers again.

No dount running the ball 21 times and throwing it over 100 times in two games has nothing to do with this...

This team is a comic act... a circus... We're no different than some organized touch-football league team... capable of advancing the ball ONLY through the air... pathetic...
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No dount running the ball 21 times and throwing it over 100 times in two games has nothing to do with this...
Warner threw two awful picks in the first Q of this game. That had nothing to do with last week and it had nothing to do with what happened in the rest of the game.

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This team is a comic act... a circus... We're no different than some organized touch-football league team... capable of advancing the ball ONLY through the air... pathetic...
better than not being able to advance it all. rome wasn't built in a day folks.
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Actually the switch to Hightower was auspicious in that the Cardinals won the three straight games that have enabled them to win the West...and two of them were on the road.

Since then Arrington has emerged as the best fit.

Going back to Edge now would be an iffy proposition. There's no telling where his head is right now and it would cause some of the players to question the coaches' credibility.

The priority of this offense remains to get the ball in the hands of Q, Fitz, Breaston and now Arrington.
As for Hightower...let's remember he is still a rookie. With a huge off-season heshould be far more physically and emntally prepared to take on a more prominent role.
Correctamundo. Throw in a dash of Hightower.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 10:22 AM   #27
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Warner threw two awful picks in the first Q of this game. That had nothing to do with last week and it had nothing to do with what happened in the rest of the game.



better than not being able to advance it all. rome wasn't built in a day folks.
What do you mean, those picks set the tone for the game. We were going to play from behind the whole way because of the D. It all matters. Philly could just tee-off the rest of the way pretty much.

But I agree that in this game, the way we started (the INT's) and the way the D played, we had no chance to pull this one out.
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Hightower isnt the problem.. its that the league has caught up to our act, and can sniff our every single run play we use..

Ain't much to sniff....and that is the problem....the team has months to gameplan a running game....albeit f/a or draft or both. Jints ain't gonna
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