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Old October 8th, 2008, 11:30 AM   #16
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But I still don't know how they missed that facemask on Bush all you have to do is see a head swivel like that and you know it's a facemask.
Oh, I completely disagree. Darnell Dockett got called for a facemask against the Jets. The Jets RB's head snapped around and it looked like an obvious facemask. The first thing out of my mouth when watching it was "Dammit Darnell". They played it in slow motion and Dockett never had his hand on the mask. If you don't see the hand on the mask you shouldn't call the penalty. Hochuli wasn't the only official on the field.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #17
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I was almost hoping that the Cards challenged the spot. That spot was so bad they should have. I wonder if they didn't only because they were so far ahead that they didn't bother.
You can't challenge the spot unless there is a chance of 1st down/no first down or safety/no safety.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #18
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Oh, I completely disagree. Darnell Dockett got called for a facemask against the Jets. The Jets RB's head snapped around and it looked like an obvious facemask. The first thing out of my mouth when watching it was "Dammit Darnell". They played it in slow motion and Dockett never had his hand on the mask. If you don't see the hand on the mask you shouldn't call the penalty. Hochuli wasn't the only official on the field.
Well sure there are obviously times where it looks like one and isn't but in general they tend to err on the side of caution, call it when it looks like one.

On that play the way Bush' body and head acted it was quite surprising that none of the refs saw it. and that is why I specifically wrote they can't seem to get one right, meant his crew not just him.

There are absolutely plays where it looks like a facemask and isn't but in general if the head does a little Linda Blair action, they call a facemask.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 12:56 PM   #19
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You can't challenge the spot unless there is a chance of 1st down/no first down or safety/no safety.
I know that they talked about this earlier in the year, but I don't think that is the concrete rule. I think (again, think) that if you spot the ball and you win the challenge, you lose a timeout if it doesn't result in a first down.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 01:47 PM   #20
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I know that they talked about this earlier in the year, but I don't think that is the concrete rule. I think (again, think) that if you spot the ball and you win the challenge, you lose a timeout if it doesn't result in a first down.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 03:54 PM   #21
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We've been getting horrible spots all season long. Incredible.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 07:33 PM   #22
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I know that they talked about this earlier in the year, but I don't think that is the concrete rule. I think (again, think) that if you spot the ball and you win the challenge, you lose a timeout if it doesn't result in a first down.
That is challenging a first down when you have the ball. You cannot challenge the spot itself. In this case they had the ball, we could not challenge it.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 08:48 PM   #23
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It's a TV show that is on Fox Sports AZ. If you have direct TV and pay for the sports package it's on channel 686.

I reviewed that play 2 or 3 time on my TIVO during the game and was yelling that that was the worse spot I've seen since the skins game. He was clearly tackled at the 1 yard line even giving the benefit of doubt it might have been the one and a half yard line. LOL
No kidding ? I've had Sunday Ticket for years and never knew this ! I'll have to check it out.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 10:52 AM   #24
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No kidding ? I've had Sunday Ticket for years and never knew this ! I'll have to check it out.

It's not part of the Sunday ticket. You have to pay the extra 10$ for the sprots package to get all of the fox sports networks. Then they hone you on all the live games as they are blacked out. But this year we are getting Maxium Cardinals every Sunday morning. They used to black that out too, for what reason I will never figure out.
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