Somebody explain this to me

artp · February 8th, 2007, 06:13 PM

QB coach J Rutledge has never coached a down in the NFL!
WR coach is converted RB and TE coach in R Anderson!
How do these hirings make sense? First timers at both QB and Wr? With a franchise QB and Pro Bowl Wr's? This makes no sense to me.
I love the HC and staff up to that point. And I see the potential (under the influence of kool-aid); but I think Rutledge and Anderson, in their positions today, are a hell of a reach....and a prayer!

Goodyear Card · February 8th, 2007, 06:26 PM

I agree with you artp. It's hard to believe these are the best coaches available. I thought everyone liked our old QB/OC. Then Green got fired and everyone hated him. It doesn't make sense to him. And then to replace him with a high school coach.

Skkorpion · February 8th, 2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodyear Card

I agree with you artp. It's hard to believe these are the best coaches available. I thought everyone liked our old QB/OC. Then Green got fired and everyone hated him. It doesn't make sense to him. And then to replace him with a high school coach.

1. Vince Lombardy
2. Paul Brown
3. Mike Holmgren
4. many others who started by coaching high school.

vinnymac · February 8th, 2007, 08:50 PM

i don't understand why whisenhunt didn't sign hipple, his old qb coach for the steelers. i thought for sure he was coming aboard. just hope for the best i guess.

ajcardfan · February 9th, 2007, 03:49 AM

My guess is Haley will also work with the WRs a lot since he's not a full time OC. And, Warner coached Leinart as much as Kruczek did last year. At least from what I saw on game days.

Just gotta hope it all works.

JeffGollin · February 9th, 2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by artp

QB coach J Rutledge has never coached a down in the NFL!
WR coach is converted RB and TE coach in R Anderson!
How do these hirings make sense? First timers at both QB and Wr? With a franchise QB and Pro Bowl Wr's?

Not to worry - many HC's mix and match their position coaches. Quite often a HC and his coordinators will do most of the heavy lifting with regard to the big picture anyway.

Many head coaches also emphasize cross-training their assistants - for three reasons: (1) it helps broaden the base and further the careers of their assistants, (2) it gives them the flexibility to move assistants from one spot to another should they have to replace an assistant and (3) along similar lines, this opens up future paths for promotion and helps retain existing coaches.

Remember too that many great head coaches were once green newbies who hadn't coached in the NFL. You have to start somewhere.

One other important thing to consider - key qualities of position coaches include: (a) ability to teach and motivate, (b) knowledge of the techniques a player needs to execute, (c) understanding the offensive big picture in order to put position-work within this overall context and (d) monitoring each player to make certain they are learning techniques, knowing their position, being consistent in their mechanics and fitting in with other players to perform well as a group.

For these reasons, being a good teacher is probably more important than being an X and O genius or compiling a gaudy W&L record.

Does the dude know what he's doing? Is he a good teacher? And is he effective at getting results from the players under his wing?

WisconsinCard · February 9th, 2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffGollin

Not to worry - many HC's mix and match their position coaches. Quite often a HC and his coordinators will do most of the heavy lifting with regard to the big picture anyway.

Many head coaches also emphasize cross-training their assistants - for three reasons: (1) it helps broaden the base and further the careers of their assistants, (2) it gives them the flexibility to move assistants from one spot to another should they have to replace an assistant and (3) along similar lines, this opens up future paths for promotion and helps retain existing coaches.

Remember too that many great head coaches were once green newbies who hadn't coached in the NFL. You have to start somewhere.

One other important thing to consider - key qualities of position coaches include: (a) ability to teach and motivate, (b) knowledge of the techniques a player needs to execute, (c) understanding the offensive big picture in order to put position-work within this overall context and (d) monitoring each player to make certain they are learning techniques, knowing their position, being consistent in their mechanics and fitting in with other players to perform well as a group.

For these reasons, being a good teacher is probably more important than being an X and O genius or compiling a gaudy W&L record.

Does the dude know what he's doing? Is he a good teacher? And is he effective at getting results from the players under his wing?

All great points and just to add to that is that Wizz is an offensive coach also. He will those other coaches out.

BigRedMO · February 9th, 2007, 08:15 AM

This is not a red flag for a team that has had three winning seasons since 1977 and has been criticized for not making the neccessary investment to field competitive teams? It might be a different story if this was not a routine pattern (hiring unknown inexperienced and cheap coaches) by a team that does not know success.

Crazy Canuck · February 9th, 2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodyear Card

I agree with you artp. It's hard to believe these are the best coaches available. I thought everyone liked our old QB/OC. Then Green got fired and everyone hated him. It doesn't make sense to him. And then to replace him with a high school coach.

The High School coach spent a decade in the NFL as a QB. He obviously knows the position and the requirements. Whiss must feel confident that he can get along (communicate) with Leinart, which is the key.

cardsfanmd · February 9th, 2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vinnymac

i don't understand why whisenhunt didn't sign hipple, his old qb coach for the steelers. i thought for sure he was coming aboard. just hope for the best i guess.

weel, i think leinart progressed more this year than big ben has in nhis career thusfar so i would have benn happy to keep the guy we had

SightsSoundsBach13 · February 9th, 2007, 01:38 PM

I'm not too worried. Teams sweat a lot more when they lose OC's and DC's than any assistants. Besides, the Bears fired their defensive line coach, which goes a small length to help prove that positional coaches have only a small impact on actual game results because if it was based on in-game performance, the Bears defensive line was disruptive for much of the year and was run-stuffing for most of the year despite losing Tommy Harris.

Todd and KW will inspire Matt to catapult his QB rating out of the seventies more than Rutledge. As for our WR's, I think they could pretty much coach themselves and, again, the Todd will be more crucial to their success.

artp · February 9th, 2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffGollin

Not to worry - many HC's mix and match their position coaches. Quite often a HC and his coordinators will do most of the heavy lifting with regard to the big picture anyway.

Many head coaches also emphasize cross-training their assistants - for three reasons: (1) it helps broaden the base and further the careers of their assistants, (2) it gives them the flexibility to move assistants from one spot to another should they have to replace an assistant and (3) along similar lines, this opens up future paths for promotion and helps retain existing coaches.

Remember too that many great head coaches were once green newbies who hadn't coached in the NFL. You have to start somewhere.

One other important thing to consider - key qualities of position coaches include: (a) ability to teach and motivate, (b) knowledge of the techniques a player needs to execute, (c) understanding the offensive big picture in order to put position-work within this overall context and (d) monitoring each player to make certain they are learning techniques, knowing their position, being consistent in their mechanics and fitting in with other players to perform well as a group.

For these reasons, being a good teacher is probably more important than being an X and O genius or compiling a gaudy W&L record.

Does the dude know what he's doing? Is he a good teacher? And is he effective at getting results from the players under his wing?

I agree. But, I can't be convinced Rutledge and Anderson aren't reaches at their positions.

BullheadCardFan · February 9th, 2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffGollin

Does the dude know what he's doing? Is he a good teacher? And is he effective at getting results from the players under his wing?

I guess thats the bottom line ... we'll just have to wait and see .. I'm sure that Whiz knows more about these guys than we do so I'm willing to give him a nod ... for now ...

Scot1 · February 9th, 2007, 09:36 PM

If a position coach needs:

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...(b) knowledge of the techniques a player needs to execute,...(d) monitoring each player to make certain they are learning techniques, knowing their position,

then how does a RB who's never coached WRs become a good WR coach, etc.? I'm just asking, not mainly being skeptical--I know that there've been good position coaches who change positions, and bad ones who have tons of experience in a position who don't succeed as coaches (Joe Green, with us, reputedly). I would guess it's a matter of moonlighting in other position coaching sessions, etc., but how would a HC decide a cross-over candidate has what it takes to coach a new position? Sure, it's good experience for the cross-over coach, but if the players have to tutor him, it may not be best for the team....