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Norwood has on 202 carries 1,243 yards which averages out to 6.2 yards per carry & 3 touchdowns. Show me a back in the league that averages 6.2 ypc.
Mewelde Moore averaged 5.5ypc and 10.2ypr in '06 for the Vikes. Last year he averaged 5.6ypc but only on 25 carries, as Peterson and Taylor owned the show. I pimped him all offseason as he was a FA, but Pitt got him for 1 mill a year. This guy could have been a huge help for us if we weren't too busy bending over for Fitz.
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Dockett was good the first half the season & then disappeared in the second. Mind you he made the pro-bowl due to other DL not able to make the trip. If you are satisified with Dockett & his eight sacks as being the best thing since sliced bread, then you have grown to love average. Plus on top of everything else, Mr. eight sacks is going to hold out unless he gets a new contract. That is after signing a new deal last season. So as far as I am concerned Mr. Eight Sacks and his agent can go to atlanta. We can get a 6.2 ypc on our team. If Norwood was on team & he works out then I say signed the guy to a better deal. It is about Production to Salary my friend. Dockett production doesn't justify a new contract. You must have forgotten that the Cardinals drafted Mr. Eight Sacks in the 3rd. Here is another history lesson for you. Micheal Straham was taken in the second round. So you can get a great player in the 2nd round.
It would be ridiculous IMO to trade an everydown lineman and a very good one at that for a situational player. Plain and simple. We are not in a position to make a move like that. We are just getting some depth on the line and now people wanna talk about destroying that and relying on untested rookies to produce all season for us in vital roles again. No thanks. The draft pick is nice and all, but this team isn't full of rooks. They are ready to win now and this trade would be a move in the opposite direction. We have been rebuilding for 60yrs, lets take what we have and try to win already.
Also, Berry's injury had to play a role in Dockett's decline, but I would put much more of it on things like fatigue, double teams, and the fact that our entire secondary aside from Rod Hood was gone. Look at the difference in defense for the Colts when Bob Sanders is hurt. How was anyone supposed to get sacks when the opposing WRs only needed 1/2 second to get open?
All of that said, I am not nearly as in love with Dockett as most on this board are, and if we could find a better deal I would be open to it.
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Last edited by cardsfanmd; June 23rd, 2008 at 01:15 PM.
Also, Berry's injury had to play a role in Dockett's decline, but I would put much more of it on things like fatigue, double and triple teams, and the fact that our entire secondary aside from Rod Hood was gone. .
I hear this said a lot and dont buy it. I watched every game last year and he occassionally got double teamed but he never -as far as I could see- got triple teamed.
Maybe I missed it but most times DD was matched up mano-y-mano
I hear this said a lot and dont buy it. I watched every game last year and he occassionally got double teamed but he never -as far as I could see- got triple teamed.
Maybe I missed it but most times DD was matched up mano-y-mano
You are right, now that I think about it. Going back to edit.
I hear this said a lot and dont buy it. I watched every game last year and he occassionally got double teamed but he never -as far as I could see- got triple teamed.
Maybe I missed it but most times DD was matched up mano-y-mano
There was a story where Dockett was quoted as saying the number of snaps he played last year took a toll. The depth wasn't there to keep him off the field for extended periods.
Mewelde Moore averaged 5.5ypc and 10.2ypr in '06 for the Vikes. Last year he averaged 5.6ypc but only on 25 carries, as Peterson and Taylor owned the show. I pimped him all offseason as he was a FA, but Pitt got him for 1 mill a year. This guy could have been a huge help for us if we weren't too busy bending over for Fitz.
It would be ridiculous IMO to trade an everydown lineman and a very good one at that for a situational player. Plain and simple. We are not in a position to make a move like that. We are just getting some depth on the line and now people wanna talk about destroying that and relying on untested rookies to produce all season for us in vital roles again. No thanks. The draft pick is nice and all, but this team isn't full of rooks. They are ready to win now and this trade would be a move in the opposite direction. We have been rebuilding for 60yrs, lets take what we have and try to win already.
Also, Berry's injury had to play a role in Dockett's decline, but I would put much more of it on things like fatigue, double teams, and the fact that our entire secondary aside from Rod Hood was gone. Look at the difference in defense for the Colts when Bob Sanders is hurt. How was anyone supposed to get sacks when the opposing WRs only needed 1/2 second to get open?
All of that said, I am not nearly as in love with Dockett as most on this board are, and if we could find a better deal I would be open to it.
Norwood touched the ball 131 times & gained 890 yards. That is more productions than Shipp & Arrington combined. The Cardinals need a home run threat in the running game & someone who can produce when on the field. What kind of production did Moore have? A team needs two runningbacks as well as 2 quaterbacks. Dockett imo will not be that hard to replace. I saw what Tommy Harris had to say & I quote. "I have said that every football player is overpaid. We get paid to play a kids game." I love that attitude. I don't like the attitude of pay me only if I do give a half a season. I don't care if you showed me the money last season. I want more.
Norwood touched the ball 131 times & gained 890 yards. That is more productions than Shipp & Arrington combined. The Cardinals need a home run threat in the running game & someone who can produce when on the field. What kind of production did Moore have? A team needs two runningbacks as well as 2 quaterbacks. Dockett imo will not be that hard to replace. I saw what Tommy Harris had to say & I quote. "I have said that every football player is overpaid. We get paid to play a kids game." I love that attitude. I don't like the attitude of pay me only if I do give a half a season. I don't care if you showed me the money last season. I want more.
In your opinion. And your opinion, or mine - plus 2-bucks will buy a cup of Java.
Norwood touched the ball 131 times & gained 890 yards. That is more productions than Shipp & Arrington combined. The Cardinals need a home run threat in the running game & someone who can produce when on the field. What kind of production did Moore have?
He had virtually no production last year, but I am anxious to hear the arguement that Norwood would have gotten touches with Peterson and Taylor on the same roster.
If you look at their #'s the two are very similar. Exact same size and attributes. 1 year difference in age. Moore has more more touches and total yards, so i dont get why you question his production.
A team needs two runningbacks as well as 2 quaterbacks.
agree 100%. I have been ranting this for three years.
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Dockett imo will not be that hard to replace. I saw what Tommy Harris had to say & I quote. "I have said that every football player is overpaid. We get paid to play a kids game." I love that attitude. I don't like the attitude of pay me only if I do give a half a season. I don't care if you showed me the money last season. I want more.
I am not and never have been a huge fan of Dockett the man. I love his heart and passion, but cant stand the stupid penalties and the way he has went about his contract issues. The bottom line though is that he is one of the top three young players at his position in the game, and d-line is far more important than the RB position.
He had virtually no production last year, but I am anxious to hear the arguement that Norwood would have gotten touches with Peterson and Taylor on the same roster.
If you look at their #'s the two are very similar. Exact same size and attributes. 1 year difference in age. Moore has more more touches and total yards, so i dont get why you question his production.
agree 100%. I have been ranting this for three years.
I am not and never have been a huge fan of Dockett the man. I love his heart and passion, but cant stand the stupid penalties and the way he has went about his contract issues. The bottom line though is that he is one of the top three young players at his position in the game, and d-line is far more important than the RB position.
I don't know about that. According to the Patriots, the most important man on their team is the cameraman.
Isn't it time to end this thread. It is getting awfully strange. If they leave they leave, then we all know that the organization is still the same old Cardinals, and if they stay and "Q" gets his rightful reworked Contract then this team has really turned the corner and is about to play with the big boz's. DD needs to have another breakout year to really show his worth.
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Isn't it time to end this thread. It is getting awfully strange. If they leave they leave, then we all know that the organization is still the same old Cardinals, and if they stay and "Q" gets his rightful reworked Contract then this team has really turned the corner and is about to play with the big boz's. DD needs to have another breakout year to really show his worth.
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This post makes no sense. All you did by writing it is prolonging the life of the thread, as people are going post on here to tell you how wrong you are now.
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