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Crayton is a 29 year old who has a career best of 50 catches last year. So he's coming into his own as he is about to turn 30(in april 09).
Boldin is a much better player but has the injury risk and the contract issue.
I just don't see Crayton as the guy to come close to what boldin does remember he plays opposite TO now with Romo at QB and only put up 50 catches and 7TD's, it's not like Fitz is a much better player than TO and Matt/Kurt are much better than Romo. He's a good player but no way I make that deal.
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Crayton is a 29 year old who has a career best of 50 catches last year. So he's coming into his own as he is about to turn 30(in april 09).
Boldin is a much better player but has the injury risk and the contract issue.
I just don't see Crayton as the guy to come close to what boldin does remember he plays opposite TO now with Romo at QB and only put up 50 catches and 7TD's, it's not like Fitz is a much better player than TO and Matt/Kurt are much better than Romo. He's a good player but no way I make that deal.
Remember though, Jason Witten is on that team and had 96 catched last year. Crayton was the third option and still had 50 catches. Johnson was the third option here last year and had 46 catched while being the #2 guy in 5 games. But, then again, Crayton did miss a game and had ZERO catches in 2 of the 15 games he played. That is a scary stat!!!!!!!!! So, I after reading back what I typed, I say no to Q being traded, not sure about Dockett yet.
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Remember though, Jason Witten is on that team and had 96 catched last year. Crayton was the third option and still had 50 catches. Johnson was the third option here last year and had 46 catched while being the #2 guy in 5 games. But, then again, Crayton did miss a game and had ZERO catches in 2 of the 15 games he played. That is a scary stat!!!!!!!!! So, I after reading back what I typed, I say no to Q being traded, not sure about Dockett yet.
Boldin & Pope for Witten and 1st and 6th pick.
That is a good trade.
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Remember though, Jason Witten is on that team and had 96 catched last year. Crayton was the third option and still had 50 catches. Johnson was the third option here last year and had 46 catched while being the #2 guy in 5 games. But, then again, Crayton did miss a game and had ZERO catches in 2 of the 15 games he played. That is a scary stat!!!!!!!!! So, I after reading back what I typed, I say no to Q being traded, not sure about Dockett yet.
Crayton played on a very bad ankle during those games which is why he missed the one game.
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All right, vinny. Think of it another way. Dockett was arguably the best (maybe second- or third-best) player on our defense last season. With the return of Adrian Wilson, he'll at worst be the fourth-best player on our defense. Our defense was 17th in the NFL in yardage last season, but 27th in the NFL in scoring defense. Also, you would be removing the largest sack threat on the entire defense; no other Cardinal defender notched more than 6 quarterback kills.
So, take away one of the top players on the defense and without question the best player on the defensive line, and the defense is not going to improve. It would get much worse. In my opinion, the success of the Cards' season will depend on the scoring defense going from 27th to somewhere between 12th and 17th.
On the other hand, the Cards were the 12th best offense in yardage last season, and 7th in scoring offense. Would adding a decent second running back really make that much of a marginal improvement? Enough for a drastic reduction in defensive effectiveness? I personally don't think so. And a 2nd round pick isn't going to make up for that.
The deal that I would make with the Falcons is Norwood and their #1 pick in 2009. I think they'll be a little better next season, so a 3rd round back and a Top 15 pick would be good value for a Pro Bowl defensive tackle.
But I don't think a trade like that would happen. If the Cards wanted to upgrade at running back, they could have taken one much earlier than they settled on Hightower, and gotten a back that has a greater chance of contributing in the offensive packages.
I love Dockett, but he is overrated. If Dockett is the 4th best defensive player on the team, then the Cardinals are in some serious need of an overhaul on defense. I believe that what they did this off season. Norwood on the other hand, is a speed back. That is what the Cardinals need to help out the rushing game. Norwood is the scoring threat that the Cardinals need on offense. A team can get a good player in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. The Moral to my story is that Dockett will not be that hard to replace.
Yeah, he is sooooooooo good that the Falcons gave a boat load of money to make Michael Turner to be the every down back.
That because they know that you need 2 backs to have a great running game. Vick is out of the NFL. Just in case you didn't know. Plus Dunn went back to Tampa. That means they replaced Dunn with a younger Back that is suppose to be a stud. Another thing is that the Falcons has always had a 2 back system in place. It is obvious you never seen Norwood play.
I love Dockett, but he is overrated. If Dockett is the 4th best defensive player on the team, then the Cardinals are in some serious need of an overhaul on defense. I believe that what they did this off season. Norwood on the other hand, is a speed back. That is what the Cardinals need to help out the rushing game. Norwood is the scoring threat that the Cardinals need on offense. A team can get a good player in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. The Moral to my story is that Dockett will not be that hard to replace.
Care to expand on any of that? Because Dockett was the only player on our defense to make the Pro Bowl last season, which would technically make him the best player on our defense. And the Cards are going to deploy 10 of the 11 starters that they went into training camp with (Rolle replacing Holt the only change). So where's the "overhaul" on defense?
Dockett is the best player on our defensive line. Is there any question of that? He had more sacks than San Diego's Igor Olshansky and Luis Castillo combined. He had more sacks than Dallas's Chris Canty and Marcus Spears. Combined. And he's getting better. He might be the best 3-4 defensive end in the NFL right now. Do you really think that he's going to be "replaced" by 33 year old Bryan Robinson and two rookies? Please.
I agree with you that Norwood is a good back. I like him a lot. But the guy didn't have more than 10 carries in any game but one in 2007. There are 30 other "speed backs" in the NFL that would be just or good or better than Norwood, and you wouldn't have to immediately re-sign to a long-term contract.
You don't trade a Pro Bowl DT who hasn't yet reached his prime for a 2nd string back and a 2nd round draft pick.
EDIT: And you still didn't answer my question about how much of a difference you really expected a speed back to make in our offense. We already had one of the better offenses in the NFL. Do you really think that moving from 7th to 5th in scoring offense is going to help more than falling from 27th to 31st in scoring defense?
If the Cards can get fair value for Q...especially now that he's hot on the market, for a number of reasons they likely should.
You bet....nothing worse than having malcontents around to poison the water. If they don't want to play so be it....get what you can and be done with it. Plenty of talent of this team and with a year under their belts we should see improvement. No doubt they are both good to very good players but....yeah good to very good...don't put them in the elite class cause they ain't.
Care to expand on any of that? Because Dockett was the only player on our defense to make the Pro Bowl last season, which would technically make him the best player on our defense. And the Cards are going to deploy 10 of the 11 starters that they went into training camp with (Rolle replacing Holt the only change). So where's the "overhaul" on defense?
Dockett is the best player on our defensive line. Is there any question of that? He had more sacks than San Diego's Igor Olshansky and Luis Castillo combined. He had more sacks than Dallas's Chris Canty and Marcus Spears. Combined. And he's getting better. He might be the best 3-4 defensive end in the NFL right now. Do you really think that he's going to be "replaced" by 33 year old Bryan Robinson and two rookies? Please.
I agree with you that Norwood is a good back. I like him a lot. But the guy didn't have more than 10 carries in any game but one in 2007. There are 30 other "speed backs" in the NFL that would be just or good or better than Norwood, and you wouldn't have to immediately re-sign to a long-term contract.
You don't trade a Pro Bowl DT who hasn't yet reached his prime for a 2nd string back and a 2nd round draft pick.
EDIT: And you still didn't answer my question about how much of a difference you really expected a speed back to make in our offense. We already had one of the better offenses in the NFL. Do you really think that moving from 7th to 5th in scoring offense is going to help more than falling from 27th to 31st in scoring defense?
Norwood has on 202 carries 1,243 yards which averages out to 6.2 yards per carry & 3 touchdowns. Show me a back in the league that averages 6.2 ypc.
Dockett was good the first half the season & then disappeared in the second. Mind you he made the pro-bowl due to other DL not able to make the trip. If you are satisified with Dockett & his eight sacks as being the best thing since sliced bread, then you have grown to love average. Plus on top of everything else, Mr. eight sacks is going to hold out unless he gets a new contract. That is after signing a new deal last season. So as far as I am concerned Mr. Eight Sacks and his agent can go to atlanta. We can get a 6.2 ypc on our team. If Norwood was on team & he works out then I say signed the guy to a better deal. It is about Production to Salary my friend. Dockett production doesn't justify a new contract. You must have forgotten that the Cardinals drafted Mr. Eight Sacks in the 3rd. Here is another history lesson for you. Micheal Straham was taken in the second round. So you can get a great player in the 2nd round.
Dockett was good the first half the season & then disappeared in the second. Mind you he made the pro-bowl due to other DL not able to make the trip. If you are satisified with Dockett & his eight sacks as being the best thing since sliced bread, then you have grown to love average.
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Here is another history lesson for you. Micheal Straham was taken in the second round. So you can get a great player in the 2nd round.
To be fair, he was getting a lot more attention in the form of double teams and audibles away from his side too. That said, I totally disagree with the holdout. The trouble is not Pace, as much as it is the contract the stupid Raiders gave to their guy.
Yes, but you can also get Johnny Rutledge and Leeland McElroy in the second round too. Giving away a proven good starter for a draft pick and a scrub would be a stupid move.
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I have some sources too, know a super rich art collector in Dallas who has some rich friends who know guys in the Cowboy organization and this news on Boldin was the first they heard for what it is worth...damn, I'm sounding like an old REO Speedwagon song "Heard from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another that Boldin won't be traded"
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Dockett was good the first half the season & then disappeared in the second. Mind you he made the pro-bowl due to other DL not able to make the trip. If you are satisified with Dockett & his eight sacks as being the best thing since sliced bread, then you have grown to love average.
I think his point is that he is the best D-Lineman we have and it isn't that easy to go find a Michael Strahan. For every second round Hall of Famer, I have 50 flops so bad it looks like a Jazz game. And if you don't think there is value in a 3-4 DE take a look at Pittsburgh after Aaron Smith got hurt. I could care less if he was a second alternate he was only the second Cardinal who made it to the game at a position that is STACKED with talent. He led the NFL's DTs in sacks. That second half was tough. Nobody was hurt more by Bertrand Berry than Dockett. And with Antonio Smith anything but a steady threat on the other side, Dockett was double and tripple teamed. He is entering his prime, plays inside and outside well above average in the NFL. Letting him leave would be irresponsible.
Now, that being said, he needs to play under his contract. This is one of those things that won't matter in 4 months.
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