RolleRocks

I guess I must be watching some other team.

Besides Warner, Fitz, and Q, everyone on this team seems replaceable to me.

As for Leinart, to think that the team will not experience a dropoff going from a QB currently playing at an MVP level to a guy with a career passer rating of 71 is just beyond wishful thinking.

moklerman

6 games. 2 of those with broken bones in his throwing hand.
Health, being in the same system and getting some playing time, gloves. I don't dispute the fact that he had his share of problems but he also had his share of success before the problems. There was a very real chance that he could revert to form. Leinart doesn't have that. Your perceptions of him are based on potential and hope. There is unfortunately a very real possibility, especially considering the long history of college studs/NFL duds, that he won't realize that potential. He is a risk at this point. It has nothing to do with Warner.
I hope he's right but I also realize that he is very adept at coach speak and player manipulation. He has constantly tried to boost Leinart's confidence and I think that much of what he had to say about naming Warner the starter was for Leinart's benefit over anything analytical.

From the time he's got here, Whis has tried to "fix" Leinart's game so it's hard to say what he really thinks of him. But even I'm not naive enough to think that just because he said the competition was close in preseason has anything to do with how each of them is playing now or that if Warner got hurt, Leinart would just pick up where he left off. Leinart will need quite a bit of time to just get in sync with the receivers and regressing the playbook will only mean a drop in production.

Leinart won't have to go through everything a rookie would but he's still at his sophomore slump stage so who knows if a season will be enough to get him caught up? Year three is critical because that's usually when a QB gets "it". Leinart's been so up and down it's hard to tell and no one knows if he's even going to be able to play a 16 game schedule yet.

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I am assuming that if they let Warner walk it is because, like Green Bay, they think the understudy is ready to go.

Keep in mind Farve took them to 13-3 and the NFC championship game and they STILL Let him walk. If you belive in the kid they maybe willing to think about the future on this one.

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moklerman

I think Warner would have to retire and then decide to come back after OTA's for this scenario to hold true. Very similar on the surface but if Favre had committed to the team saying he was definitely coming back then they don't draft 2 QB's and at least give him a shot to keep his job. IMO.

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This was in the working for a couple years. They forced Bretts hand earlyon because they WANTED him to retire and move on. They knew that the longer it dragged on the more in flux they would be and they wanted to start the Aaron Rodgers era.

Here is my point. Warner is playing lights out and I love him for it. But if the coaches think Matt is ready they will not throw the bank at him. And they will likely do everything to keep him if they don't deem Leinart ready to take over the franchise.

So like I have stated multiple times in the past. In Wisenhunt I trust. I have no idea where he is leaning but I guess we will find out.

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Everyone is replacable under the right circumstances. See numerous threads about every single player you just listed this past offseason.

And the point isn't "Is Matt going to step in and become the MVP?" as much as it is "is two years of Warner better then potential 10 years of Matt?"

And again ....it comes down to if you buy into Matt long term. And no one on this board knows either way as we haven't been watching practice or sitting down nightly to pick Wisenhunt's brain.

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Syracusecards

I don't think we have to worry about this at all. Kurt knows this is the perfect place for him with the receivers he has as well as the coaches giving him the freedom to call his own plays at the line. Just because he's playing lights out for us, doesn't mean he'll do the same for another team.

I think that, plus the fact he doesn't want to have to move his whole family to a new place will make this a pretty easy negotiation. Kurt doesn't strike me as a greedy person by any means so I think we can get him back for 5-6 mil per year and with a decent signing bonus. If we get rid of Edge in the offseason, I think that will knock 5 mil off the books right there.

moklerman

How does 5-6 million per year compare to what some of the other QB's are making? I'm sure that he won't be greedy but he won't want bottom scale money either.

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That with incentives should be good IMO. CArds have to protect against his age.

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like it or not leinert is the future good or bad of this franchise, you can only learn so much holding a clip board, the kids been successful every where he goes
he was a heisman trophy winner for god sakes, yeah maybe he was a little immature when he first came to the league but i can;t think of a better quarterback
to learn behind than warner, warners body is 37 years old and hes done some amazing things, remember last year playing with that bionic arm stabilizer and handing off backwards?

but father time is a bitch and will catch up with him, all it takes is gandy to whiff block one time and warner to get blindsided full speed and you'll be seeing matt for a while and i think you'll be glad you did

imo, the benching has humbled the hot shot a bit, but if we let the future of our franchise get away for what will be a 38 year old QB next year, we'll see him taking the eagles or somebody else,
to the playoffs year after year

mark my words
unless warner wins it all for us i let him have an incentive laden deal or walk

Rasputin

You have a point. I mean, llok at the last 10 QBs to win the Heisman...

Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Danny Wuerffel
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow

Franchise players all.

The kid is a headcase. The cards would be better off trading him while someone in the NFL still thinks he's worth something. They should probabaly do the same with Edge (between Tim and J,R. we have two running backs who actually are the future). That gives us draft picks and cap room to sign someone who fits coach W.'s system.

Matt was Green's boy, his mistake. I'd rather have McCown back as a backup. And the job is Kurt's as long as he's healthy and willing. Resigning Kurt and taking care of Boldin are first priority. After that, Adrian and Dansby.

Evil Ash

Wow. Welcome aboard but wow

Leinart's a headcase? Do you have anything to back up this assessment?

Warner is 37 and was still speaking about retirement in an interview with Mortenson BEFORE OUR LAST GAME. I'd like some sort of plan for the future and praying for a miracle ain't it.

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Rasputin

Because Mortenson brought the subject up? Obviously the first priority is to make sure Kurt wants to keep playing. If he does, pay him. And you've GOT to keep Q. Trading Matt while people actually want him is something (draft picks and cap room) for pretty much nothing (Leinart). I could care less about his college trophy, I'd rather have St. Pierre as backup until we find someone with long term potential. And heart. The last being what Kurt is all about, and Matt has yet to show. And I'd trade Edge as well, not because he hasn't got any game left (he does) but because he has value, and Tim and J.R. are the future.

But that's me. If you disagree, that's fine. If coach W. disagrees, I'm wrong.

BTW, is there a coach of the year thread in this place? I know who my pick is.

Arizona's Finest

I don't get why we assume that Wisenhunt isn't a Leinart fan and that he is just waiting for the first excuse to get rid of him. He was named the starter in the offseason for a reason. It just so happens that Kurt worked his butt off and is playing better then ever from a turnover perspective. Its not a shame that Leinart is backing up the MVP of the league.

All the headcase and party boy stuff is way overblown and if you listen to the people who matter - like the coaching staff and teammates - he is working hard to get better.

The Heisman stuff is not relevant. Matt is good because he is a winner and especially because he plays well when he has playmakers around him. Much like the Cardinals do.

Like you said - We will see what Wisenhunt does in the offseason.

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Welcome to ASFN. I stated my position on Matt Leinart well over a year ago, have seen no reason to change it, so I usually stay completely out of these threads. Every now and then, some new poster prompts me to comment. You just did.

I believe Kurt Warner will be extended and having Matt Leinart behind him is a big reason why.

I cringe every time a camera shot of our sideline shows Leinart completely uninvolved with the game in progress. He's always alone. Joyless when we do well. Aloof.

On the larger picture, I have come to believe the triumvirate of Mike Bidwill, Rod Graves and Whisenhunt will keep the right combination of guys. That will likely play itself out in the offseason.