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Old September 23rd, 2008, 07:59 AM   #16
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Maybe you're right.
My feeling is that even a small letdown in effort can have big (negative) results on the field.
I think our D gave their all in SF because they hate them, and they always play hard at home.

Our desire as fans to embrace a winner can skew what we percieve on the field.
Let's face it. As fans, all we want is 3 and out's or a turnover whenever we need it. On offense all we want is a first down every time, a score on every possesion, and no turnovers.

When that doesn't happen we analyze why it didn't happen. A player 2 or 3 yards out of position could be made to look foolish or percieved as not giving a full effort. Kinda like the batter who hits a 1 hopper back to the pitcher and the "effort" he gives running to first base.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 08:14 AM   #17
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I still like Pendy. He runs a pretty complex defense, so I expect the team to get better.

If he's replaced in the offseason (let's be realistic--if he's replaced at all it's not going to be mid-season), then we need to find a 3-4 coordinator because that's the type of personnel we've been building for the last couple of years and likely the type of personnel that's currently being scouted. Rivera is a 4-3/4-6 guy. I can't think of a 3-4 guy out there that's going to come available next year...it'd likely be a coordinator stepping into the role (either from the cards or another 3-4 team...fortunately, there are more and more of them these days).

But, I think that the reason we'll lose Pendergast isn't because he'll be fired, he'll be released from his contract so he can take a head coaching position in 2010.

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Old September 23rd, 2008, 08:29 AM   #18
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our defense is,
8th in total yards, (Bucs 26th, Packers 27th)
11th in passing yards, ( BUcs 27th, Packers 22nd)
14th in rushing yards, ( Bucs 20th, Packers 27th)
9th in sacks, ( Bucs 9th, Packers 7th)
6th in td's allowed, (Bucs 5th, Packers 15th)
and most impotant of all,
4th in points allowed. ( Bucs 9th, Packers 23rd)
Why bring up stats when you could simply rely on the amatuer kneejerk opinions of Stout?

Our defense has been just fine this year.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 08:44 AM   #19
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The problem, as I see it, isn't a "poorness" in the head of our DC. No,no, no! It is in misinformation. We leave NO CONFUSION in the opponents heads and heart, this will change.
If I see a "look" from our D, I should NEVER be able to ascertain a play from that formation again. We're, strong, fast, fresh and nasty. The SAME play, should NEVER come out of the SAME look twice. MIS-information from a look, at the maturity level of this D, is THE most single, monumental gift
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 08:56 AM   #20
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 08:56 AM   #21
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The problem, as I see it, isn't a "poorness" in the head of our DC. No,no, no! It is in misinformation. We leave NO CONFUSION in the opponents heads and heart, this will change.
If I see a "look" from our D, I should NEVER be able to ascertain a play from that formation again. We're, strong, fast, fresh and nasty. The SAME play, should NEVER come out of the SAME look twice. MIS-information from a look, at the maturity level of this D, is THE most single, monumental gift
Am I making sense? Also, C.P.
Agreed right now we're too predictable you can tell from formation who's blitzing and who's not and they're picking it up. If that's because of new personnel it surprises me we're not exactly starting a ton of new guys.

I keep hoping when Watson gets back it'll make a huge impact on the run defense and make everything else look better I think right now pendy is having to do things to cover for Watson not being there.

one good thing is we're 2-1 and quite frankly I think we've played 6 good quarters. The Miami game, plus the 2nd half of the 49er game.

We didn't play well or poorly Sunday just average.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 09:33 AM   #22
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This week will be interesting. It seems like, over the past couple of years, whenever the defense has a mediocre game they come back with a good game.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 10:53 AM   #23
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CP is essentially clueless as to how to properly coach our defense in a successful fashion. We finally have the depth to help our weapons on defense succeed, and we finally have a legitimate chance to open it up without getting torched. Instead, our defensive playcalling has been boring, predictable, and clearly not results-oriented. I think I know why, and it is highly disturbing.

I believe CP has seen the talent we do have on defense, is happy with the depth we now have, and is content to rely on that talent to create turnovers and a pass rush. Um, I'm sorry, but though we do have talent, we do NOT have the talent to play man-up defense and prevail. We NEED creativity and aggressiveness. Without it, our defense will not succeed and we will see many more poor performances. I mean, his playcalling was good on several passing plays. What happened on those plays? Pressures and sacks. Does he learn from this and work more to bring pressure? Nope. More 3-man fronts and 4-man pass rushes that even idiots in the stands like me an tell will fail miserably.

Also, CP has yet to show he can actually coach fundamentals. Our tackling remains atrocious. Our discipline is non-existant. Any misdirection or well-run timing play will beat our defense. CP needs to step up his coaching, work the basics, and get this defense together, or it's going to be a looooong season.

We have the personnel to be a really tough defense; sadly, we have the coaching to make this a really predictable and easy-to-beat defense. Get rid of CP, Whis, or force him to change his ENTIRE gameplan. Please, please, for the LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE!!!
I do think the biggest problem this team has is DEFENSE. If we do not get some we are in for a long season. I do not know if it is the coach or the players. We are not stopping the run and the opposition QB's seem to have to much time to throw. This sets us the DB's for looking bad. Need to figure out what is going on here in a hurry. We are still at a decent 2/1 but that could change in a hurry. The Jets know we are not very good on run stopping so expect them to come out fast on the ground. How many passes did Boldin catch last Sunday? Not many. My mind still is stuck on that game ending 4th and four with under 3 minutes to go and we punt? I will remember that for the rest of the year. I hope Whiz remembers is as well as I do. I think Warner will remember it for some time alsol.
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our defense is,
8th in total yards, (Bucs 26th, Packers 27th)
11th in passing yards, ( BUcs 27th, Packers 22nd)
14th in rushing yards, ( Bucs 20th, Packers 27th)
9th in sacks, ( Bucs 9th, Packers 7th)
6th in td's allowed, (Bucs 5th, Packers 15th)
and most impotant of all,
4th in points allowed. ( Bucs 9th, Packers 23rd)

That's not the rankings in the NFC. That is the rankings of the entire NFL. Every catagory is above average. I chose to compare us to the Bucs and Packers who are considered to have good defenses and both are 2-1 in first place.

Players miss tackles. Players blow assignments. Coaches call wrong defenses. Players drop would be interceptions, Coaches call for a blitz at the wrong time and don't blitz when we should at times. Players make great plays. Players make not so great plays.
And sometimes the ball bounces 20 feet in the air off your opponents helmet and into a defenders hands.

It's a chess game except the peices are moving all the time. Everything we try to do the other team tries to counteract and vice-versa.

The defense allowed 2 long drives vs the Skins and 2 times the Skins got a gift inside our 30 yards line. HAs this defense played better than it did Sunday? Yes. Does it need to play better than it did Sunday? Undoubtedly. But the same could be said for the offense. Should Haley be fired?

Relax guys. Look around the league. We are not terrible. Nobody needs to be fired.
And a few more facts to date, I posted on another thread where someone was comparing us to the Eagles:

Philly-D - has given up 49 points in 3 games

Ariz-D - has given up 47 points in 3 games

Philly gave up 41 points to Dallas.

Dallas was held to 28 points scored by Cleveland - 27 by Green Bay

San Fran scored 13 points at home against Cards. They've scored 64 points in last two games.

Miami scored 10 points against the Cards. They scored 38 yesterday on the road against the vaunted New England Patriots.
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CP is essentially clueless as to how to properly coach our defense in a successful fashion. We finally have the depth to help our weapons on defense succeed, and we finally have a legitimate chance to open it up without getting torched. Instead, our defensive playcalling has been boring, predictable, and clearly not results-oriented. I think I know why, and it is highly disturbing.

I believe CP has seen the talent we do have on defense, is happy with the depth we now have, and is content to rely on that talent to create turnovers and a pass rush. Um, I'm sorry, but though we do have talent, we do NOT have the talent to play man-up defense and prevail. We NEED creativity and aggressiveness. Without it, our defense will not succeed and we will see many more poor performances. I mean, his playcalling was good on several passing plays. What happened on those plays? Pressures and sacks. Does he learn from this and work more to bring pressure? Nope. More 3-man fronts and 4-man pass rushes that even idiots in the stands like me an tell will fail miserably.

Also, CP has yet to show he can actually coach fundamentals. Our tackling remains atrocious. Our discipline is non-existant. Any misdirection or well-run timing play will beat our defense. CP needs to step up his coaching, work the basics, and get this defense together, or it's going to be a looooong season.

We have the personnel to be a really tough defense; sadly, we have the coaching to make this a really predictable and easy-to-beat defense. Get rid of CP, Whis, or force him to change his ENTIRE gameplan. Please, please, for the LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE!!!
That job belongs to the position coaches, as you should know.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 11:54 AM   #26
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And a few more facts to date, I posted on another thread where someone was comparing us to the Eagles:

Philly-D - has given up 49 points in 3 games

Ariz-D - has given up 47 points in 3 games

Philly gave up 41 points to Dallas.

Dallas was held to 28 points scored by Cleveland - 27 by Green Bay

San Fran scored 13 points at home against Cards. They've scored 64 points in last two games.

Miami scored 10 points against the Cards. They scored 38 yesterday on the road against the vaunted New England Patriots.
Stop being rational! The vocal minority in the fan base wants to lynch Pendy and you present the cold, hard facts. Stop that!
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Best D-coordinator we've ever had and some Cards fans want to run him out of town. Unreal.

We threw kitchen-sink blitzes at the Redskins this week and almost all of them were perfectly picked up. Face it, the Redskins have a killer pass protecting O-line.

As for corners, until DRC is really ready to step in and start, we'll be playing off-man coverage and zone coverage. Green and Hood simply are better at zone covg than man-to-man. I'd love to see more up-close man coverage, but Eric Green man covering Santana Moss = FAIL. It's not going to work.

It's the players. Our OLBs do not play contain enough, Laboy really tried but he was hurt and not at 100%, plus he's not going to tail down the much faster Clinton Portis. Our DL do not get enough of a push, mainly because our starter is still out injured and his main backup has been a disappointment and barely sees the field. So we have a journeyman at nose. Dockett's been a decent tackler this year, but neither he nor Smith nor Campbell have really gotten much of a rush in either game.

Is Pendy perfect? No, but I think once we get DRC really in the mix and he plays well, we'll see a lot more man coverage. Until then, yeah our DBs are pretty suspect.
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Best D-coordinator we've ever had and some Cards fans want to run him out of town. Unreal.
I don't know about best...Fritz Shurmur was pretty damned good.

I think that Pendy has done a decent enough job though.
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Best D-coordinator we've ever had and some Cards fans want to run him out of town. Unreal.

We threw kitchen-sink blitzes at the Redskins this week and almost all of them were perfectly picked up. Face it, the Redskins have a killer pass protecting O-line.

As for corners, until DRC is really ready to step in and start, we'll be playing off-man coverage and zone coverage. Green and Hood simply are better at zone covg than man-to-man. I'd love to see more up-close man coverage, but Eric Green man covering Santana Moss = FAIL. It's not going to work.

It's the players. Our OLBs do not play contain enough, Laboy really tried but he was hurt and not at 100%, plus he's not going to tail down the much faster Clinton Portis. Our DL do not get enough of a push, mainly because our starter is still out injured and his main backup has been a disappointment and barely sees the field. So we have a journeyman at nose. Dockett's been a decent tackler this year, but neither he nor Smith nor Campbell have really gotten much of a rush in either game.

Is Pendy perfect? No, but I think once we get DRC really in the mix and he plays well, we'll see a lot more man coverage. Until then, yeah our DBs are pretty suspect.
And that doesn't even include the reality that Antrel Rolle is learning a new position on the fly. Sometimes the opponent, is just better on a given Sunday.

I really hope Gabe Watson is back this week, he's sorely missed.
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our defense is,
8th in total yards, (Bucs 26th, Packers 27th)
11th in passing yards, ( BUcs 27th, Packers 22nd)
14th in rushing yards, ( Bucs 20th, Packers 27th)
9th in sacks, ( Bucs 9th, Packers 7th)
6th in td's allowed, (Bucs 5th, Packers 15th)
and most impotant of all,
4th in points allowed. ( Bucs 9th, Packers 23rd)

That's not the rankings in the NFC. That is the rankings of the entire NFL. Every catagory is above average. I chose to compare us to the Bucs and Packers who are considered to have good defenses and both are 2-1 in first place.

Players miss tackles. Players blow assignments. Coaches call wrong defenses. Players drop would be interceptions, Coaches call for a blitz at the wrong time and don't blitz when we should at times. Players make great plays. Players make not so great plays.
And sometimes the ball bounces 20 feet in the air off your opponents helmet and into a defenders hands.

It's a chess game except the peices are moving all the time. Everything we try to do the other team tries to counteract and vice-versa.

The defense allowed 2 long drives vs the Skins and 2 times the Skins got a gift inside our 30 yards line. HAs this defense played better than it did Sunday? Yes. Does it need to play better than it did Sunday? Undoubtedly. But the same could be said for the offense. Should Haley be fired?

Relax guys. Look around the league. We are not terrible. Nobody needs to be fired.

And who did we play? Nobody. I give a damn what the 'Fins did to the Pats because the Pats aren't very good (could barely beat the juggernaut Chiefs, if you recall). So we played decent defense against bad teams. Okay, that's good. You need to be able to do that. You also need to be able to play good defense against mediocre teams. Washington is no juggernaut; they're middle-of-the-pack. If you can't even play good defense against them, you're out of luck. I'd type more here, but I need to respond elsewhere, and that will answer more.
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