March 22nd, 2004, 12:54 PM
|
#1
|
|
Registered
Join Date: May 2002
Location: illinois
Posts: 1,115
|
Larry Fitzgerald's official workout numbers from NFL.com
This is from today's workout at Pittsburgh's Pro Day:
Height-6-3 1/8
Weight-221 lbs.
40 times-1st run-4.51 and 2nd run-4.47
Bench reps (225 lbs.)-20 reps
Vertical jump-35 inches
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:00 PM
|
#2
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 1,231
|
Faster and taller than I thought.
__________________
There should be an "Arizona Cardinal principal". A never ending unexplainable phenomenon of impossible scenarios and bumbling performances resulting in a sensation not unlike being kicked in the nuts several times a year.( Quote Rivercard )
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:02 PM
|
#3
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Chandler, Az
Posts: 11,143
|
That workout solidifies him as a top five pick!
__________________
Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day; teach that person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks.
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:06 PM
|
#4
|
|
Kangol Hat Aficionado
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 17,092
|
Green was there in person as well.
He was only personally at one other workout - Miami
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:06 PM
|
#5
|
|
He Takes What He Wants
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 20,829
|
Good times, but that was a seriously fast track. Spencer, the CB, ran 4.48 and 4.5, and Brandon Miree ran 4.61 and 4.58.
The article notes that Denny Green was in attendance.
__________________
Ben Muth: Watching th Cardinals this year has been like watching a sports movie in rewind.
Thanks, DesertDawg
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:10 PM
|
#6
|
|
DEFENSE!!!!
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
Posts: 31,992
|
Whoa!!!! He benched his own weight 20 times. I am super impressed and I don't even want the Cards to draft a WR in the first round.
__________________
Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternative. 
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:10 PM
|
#7
|
|
He Takes What He Wants
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 20,829
|
Fast Track notes:
ESPN's Scouts, Inc. lists RB Miree as a 4.7 40 and CB Spencer as a 4.55 runner. Add 0.2 seconds to each 40 time to get a "real" idea of what they'd run.
__________________
Ben Muth: Watching th Cardinals this year has been like watching a sports movie in rewind.
Thanks, DesertDawg
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:20 PM
|
#8
|
|
Kangol Hat Aficionado
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 17,092
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by kerouac9
Good times, but that was a seriously fast track.
|
Arent all of the tracks these guys run on considered fast tracks. Everyone either ran on Astro turf or a rubber track. You got to put the numbers in perspective against the other WR's. |
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:27 PM
|
#9
|
|
He Takes What He Wants
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 20,829
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by joeshmo
Arent all of the tracks these guys run on considered fast tracks. Everyone either ran on Astro turf or a rubber track. You got to put the numbers in perspective against the other WR's.
|
Not necessarily. Colorado worked out indoors, on a rubber track. Georgia Teck outside on a rubber track. South Florida outside on grass. LSU inside on AstroTurf. VA-Tech indoors on AstroTurf. Tennessee ran on something called TartanTurf, which is apparently very fast.
It's important to note when some numbers are a little surprising whether or not there were other factors involved. EVERYONE at Tennessee ran fast (FB Fleming ran a 4.47!).
These times ALL look fast coming out of Pitt. I'm guessing that they were ALL running with the wind. Adjust for "inflation" and you'll have a better idea what the REAL times are.
__________________
Ben Muth: Watching th Cardinals this year has been like watching a sports movie in rewind.
Thanks, DesertDawg
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:29 PM
|
#10
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kandahar Province, AFG
Posts: 13,871
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by kerouac9
ESPN's Scouts, Inc. lists RB Miree as a 4.7 40 and CB Spencer as a 4.55 runner. Add 0.2 seconds to each 40 time to get a "real" idea of what they'd run.
|
That's patently absurd. ESPN's Scouts Inc. relies on "guesstimates" to fill in what the uninformed fan can't check themselves.
40 times are about the biggest hogwash for evaluating a prospect, and we see this every year...
Sure, it can signal a red flag if a receiver runs a 4.7, or a D-lineman runs a 5.7, but overall it doesn't accurately account for football speed. Leeland McElroy, the fabled back of Cardinals lore, ran a 4.3. Yet, Shipp has made many more plays than McElroy in less playing time (Shipp ran around a 4.65).
Minor discrepancies should be overlooked, or at least discounted.
40 times are not indicative of football speed, it's more indicative of track speed.
__________________
“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”
NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates
On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:31 PM
|
#11
|
|
Kangol Hat Aficionado
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 17,092
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by kerouac9
Not necessarily. Colorado worked out indoors, on a rubber track. Georgia Teck outside on a rubber track. South Florida outside on grass. LSU inside on AstroTurf. VA-Tech indoors on AstroTurf. Tennessee ran on something called TartanTurf, which is apparently very fast.
It's important to note when some numbers are a little surprising whether or not there were other factors involved. EVERYONE at Tennessee ran fast (FB Fleming ran a 4.47!).
These times ALL look fast coming out of Pitt. I'm guessing that they were ALL running with the wind. Adjust for "inflation" and you'll have a better idea what the REAL times are.
|
From www.nfl.com
"The Pitt players ran indoors on the old style of AstroTurf (the hard stuff)."
So no wind was involved. And the older astro turf isnt as fast as the newer stuff or the rubber stuff. So I find it hard to believe that these numbers are as inflated as you say, compared to the guys that ran outdoors on new astro turf or rubber tracks. |
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:35 PM
|
#12
|
|
Kangol Hat Aficionado
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 17,092
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Krangthebrain
That's patently absurd. ESPN's Scouts Inc. relies on "guesstimates" to fill in what the uninformed fan can't check themselves.
40 times are about the biggest hogwash for evaluating a prospect, and we see this every year...
Sure, it can signal a red flag if a receiver runs a 4.7, or a D-lineman runs a 5.7, but overall it doesn't accurately account for football speed. Leeland McElroy, the fabled back of Cardinals lore, ran a 4.3. Yet, Shipp has made many more plays than McElroy in less playing time (Shipp ran around a 4.65).
Minor discrepancies should be overlooked, or at least discounted.
40 times are not indicative of football speed, it's more indicative of track speed.
|
Exactly. Becuase of this run no red flags were raised for Fitz(IMO anything lower then a 4.6 is a red flag for a WR, then you have to weigh that with other factors good or bad) and only solidified his spot in the top 3. |
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:40 PM
|
#13
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kandahar Province, AFG
Posts: 13,871
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by joeshmo
Exactly. Becuase of this run no red flags were raised for Fitz(IMO anything lower then a 4.6 is a red flag for a WR, then you have to weigh that with other factors good or bad) and only solidified his spot in the top 3.
|
I agree. More than ever, Larry Fitz, looks like possibly the top prospect in the draft.
Not only is he not slow, but he has great size (much better than average) and world class hands. He's Terrell Owens without the baggage.
__________________
“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do—his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn’t care ‘how hard it is’; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn’t go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the ‘Cause.’ Now, who wants to quit?”
NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates
On life after football: "I wouldn't mind being a sports commentator. Having my own segment, working for ESPN, my own talk show. Part time trainer. Part time car mechanic. Part time Sprint cell phone salesman. Part time car washman. Grocery store baggage man. Football coach. Model. Actress. Stripper. And I even have dreams of being the next crocodile hunter." - Darnell Dockett
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:44 PM
|
#14
|
|
The Cardinal Smiles
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nashville
Posts: 16,489
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by joeshmo
From www.nfl.com
"The Pitt players ran indoors on the old style of AstroTurf (the hard stuff)."
So no wind was involved. And the older astro turf isnt as fast as the newer stuff or the rubber stuff. So I find it hard to believe that these numbers are as inflated as you say, compared to the guys that ran outdoors on new astro turf or rubber tracks. |
Wow...in that case I think he has solidified himself as a top 3 pick - as long as Mike Williams doesnt run too much faster...
__________________
Signed,
arthurpostpadder
|
|
|
|
|
March 22nd, 2004, 01:48 PM
|
#15
|
|
Provocateur aka Wallyburger
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: via pacis
Posts: 27,663
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by kerouac9
Not necessarily. Colorado worked out indoors, on a rubber track. Georgia Teck outside on a rubber track. South Florida outside on grass. LSU inside on AstroTurf. VA-Tech indoors on AstroTurf. Tennessee ran on something called TartanTurf, which is apparently very fast.
It's important to note when some numbers are a little surprising whether or not there were other factors involved. EVERYONE at Tennessee ran fast (FB Fleming ran a 4.47!).
These times ALL look fast coming out of Pitt. I'm guessing that they were ALL running with the wind. Adjust for "inflation" and you'll have a better idea what the REAL times are.
|
Geez!! You forgot the most important one of all.
MIAMI OUTDOORS on GRASS
__________________
"I read the news today, oh boy"
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tags
|
andre johnson, antrell rolle, braylon edwards, buddy ryan, championship game, chris gamble, cris carter, deangelo hall, eric green, lee evans, leeland mcelroy, mike stone, mike williams, reggie williams, terrell owens  |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
Sitemap: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:51 AM.
|
|
