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Old August 21st, 2008, 09:50 AM   #16
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I have a question.

If the Cardinals decide to trade Q, does his remaining signing bonus then count against the cap this year? That would be about $6Million correct?
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Old August 21st, 2008, 09:52 AM   #17
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Owens, Moss, Edwards, Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald. There are probably 5-6 more before you get to Q.
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meh, so disagree
Why? I could probably give you 5 more that can at least be considered debatable?
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Old August 21st, 2008, 09:56 AM   #18
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I have a question.

If the Cardinals decide to trade Q, does his remaining signing bonus then count against the cap this year? That would be about $6Million correct?
I thought so which is why he would NEVER get traded this year. We are about 3 mil under right? Let's take off a top 10 player on our team, pay more on the cap and not have the ability to take a player in return because of what it does to our cap. Even if it is split over 2 years we'd only save about 1 million (so we'd have 4 total) and still have to worry about any players received.

Another thing, despite having depth we have NOBODY I would feel comfortable as our #2 if Q left. Nobody. While we can get by without 2 star receivers we really have nothing to support Fitz if Q left. We lack a player ready to step up and take the burden off. Don't mistake depth for starting talent.
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Old August 21st, 2008, 11:05 AM   #19
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I have a question.

If the Cardinals decide to trade Q, does his remaining signing bonus then count against the cap this year? That would be about $6Million correct?
Only 3 Mill left. Minus his base salary and we would only take a 500K cap charge this year. Plenty of cap space for 500K cap hit.
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Old August 21st, 2008, 11:06 AM   #20
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That's true there aren't 20 better but isn't that a very common situation in the NFL? Players aren't paid based on their ranking against their peers they're paid based on when they negotiated their contract.

It's like buying a laptop if you buy the best one and then leave it in a drawer for 3 months when you take it out guess what not only do you no longer have the best laptop, but it's lost some of its original value too.

In the NFL players become underpaid very quickly because of other players getting newer contracts. The only way around that is a contract that guarantees you'll be paid comparable to Fitz and the Cards aren't going to do that.

Kudos for getting it.

Top 5 this years is only top 15 next year. You want to be paid top 5 every year then only sign one year deals.

Plus you cannot use that 21st ranking that was throw out and En Fuego did ellude to it in his post, but some of those players values are overinflated because a lot of them have roster bonuses that are only involved in this years totals. Next year their number will go down considerably without that roster bonus. You have to go by average value of the contract if you want a true test of where you rank.

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Old August 21st, 2008, 07:09 PM   #21
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Only 3 Mill left. Minus his base salary and we would only take a 500K cap charge this year. Plenty of cap space for 500K cap hit.
Correct me if i'm wrong, cause I don't have the cap savvy that you do, but isn't 1 mil of that bonus on this years cap, making his cap hit 3.5 this year? If 3 million is accelerated, we'd actually save 500k? Not sure if my numbers are correct or not.
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