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Old September 28th, 2008, 02:59 PM   #46
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No line can completely protect. However, you can expect your offensive line to be competant. It's not like this lines problems are not multi-dimensional. They cannot open holes for the running game either. I am watching the cowboys open holes. Even though the Jets didn't run well today, their offensive line opened up some huge holes for the running games at key moments.

When is the last time you had seen that out of our line??? Especially against a good team?? It's not even comparable.
Most good NFL Qb's at least can realize that one guy (Levi Brown) is having trouble and at least somewhat allow for that. Kurt is just a sitting duck back there if the protection isn't perfect, Kurt's going to get hit and in this game him getting hit equalled a fumble. I forget if it was Cheese or Ouchie who said it once about Josh, there's no rule that says a QB has to fumble everytime he gets hit.

As bad as levi was, at some point you have to hold on to the damn ball.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #47
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Our #1 problem IMO is still our defense. In spite of Warner's TOs, he still would have lead us back to a win if the defense could have stopped the Jets O in the 2nd half.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #48
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Yeah Russ I think Leinart would have done much better.... NOT! The Oline played terrible and the D was non existant the whole game! 5 second half TD's Warner came back and played well in the 2nd half, can't expect perfection when trying to come back from 34-0 I mean seriously. Warner IMHO still proved why he is the starter, because he can make the offense crazy good. Until Leinart stops just making the little check down throws he is not the guy to run this O.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #49
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This game is on the DEFENSE they stopped no one all day long! Did they even get a sack? Farve had all damn day to throw that is a problem and AW being out didn't help the D that never showed up today!!!
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:05 PM   #50
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This game is on the DEFENSE they stopped no one all day long! Did they even get a sack? Farve had all damn day to throw that is a problem and AW being out didn't help the D that never showed up today!!!
this game was on EVERYONE. Warner had 5 turnovers... IN THE FIRST HALF. The game was over at that point. I don't care what anyone did in the second when the Jets played prevent for 1.75 quarters until the D finally got a stop, only to see Warner turn it over again.

no one's blameless in this crap-fest of a game.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:08 PM   #51
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This game is on the DEFENSE they stopped no one all day long! Did they even get a sack? Farve had all damn day to throw that is a problem and AW being out didn't help the D that never showed up today!!!
So, our inept offense and fumbles by Warner had nothing to do with it? I get what you're saying, and I agree about the defense. They did suck all game. But, the O didnt put them in good position at all the first half. They were playing with a short field all game and you cant do that to your defense and expect to win. The fact that we made it a game in the second half, doesnt defeat the fact that Warner and the O sucked the life out the team the first half.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #52
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Cheese Warner had a terrible first half, but he came back and played well if the damn D does its job and the Oline could give him a little bit of time we still could have won being down 34-0 that in itself is fairly impressive. In the past or if Leinart were starting the 2nd half do you not think we lose this game 48-7 probally.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:10 PM   #53
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this game was on EVERYONE. Warner had 5 turnovers... IN THE FIRST HALF. The game was over at that point. I don't care what anyone did in the second when the Jets played prevent for 1.75 quarters until the D finally got a stop, only to see Warner turn it over again.

no one's blameless in this crap-fest of a game.
Yea Warner pretty much shoulders the blame. He dug this hole for us. Not just TO's but TO's in the redzone and the pick 6. He dug that hole almost all by himself.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:11 PM   #54
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Sorry no way in hell did Warner and the O suck the life out of the team! The freakin Defense could have stopped someone ALL DAY but they didn't I mean what did they have one 3 and out all game long? Ridiculous the D allowed 27 points in the 2nd QUARTER (not counting the pick 6) thats unacceptable for an NFL defense.
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Warner shares the blame without question but to put it all on him, no way!
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Sorry no way in hell did Warner and the O suck the life out of the team! The freakin Defense could have stopped someone ALL DAY but they didn't I mean what did they have one 3 and out all game long? Ridiculous the D allowed 27 points in the 2nd QUARTER (not counting the pick 6) thats unacceptable for an NFL defense.
Dude.. What game were you watching? One stat... 20 points in the 2nd Q off of turnovers. And it was all with a short field to work with.. That is on Warner, my man..
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Cheese Warner had a terrible first half, but he came back and played well if the damn D does its job and the Oline could give him a little bit of time we still could have won being down 34-0 that in itself is fairly impressive.
it's funny, Ouchie texted me the EXACT same thing you wrote above and just as I was texting him back that it wouldn't matter because once the game has any level of pressure Warner would just go back to turning it over because that's his MO, the D got a stop to get us within 13 with four minutes left and what happened? The game actually became a game again, the pressure was on, and on the very first play Warner put the ball on the ground AGAIN.

It just doesn't matter.

Here's the thing - we've got very little shot at being good with Warner in there in the present and he's not part of the future. Play Matt and figure out if he is the future so we don't have to waste next season as well trying to figure out if we have a QB or not.
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Oh I am sorry dscheer you mean our defense shouldn't have to try and stop someone from scoring? Wow you should be a coach. Come on man turnovers happen that don't mean you just not play D and freaking let the other team score anytime the ball is truned over! The pick for a TD you can't stop everything else you have a chance and other teams freaking do it all the time, hold them to a FG or crazy thought cause a turnoever yourself! You act as though Warner handed them 20 pts, the D had a chance and what did they do....surrender 27 points in one QTR!!!!
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Here's the thing - we've got very little shot at being good with Warner in there in the present and he's not part of the future. Play Matt and figure out if he is the future so we don't have to waste next season as well trying to figure out if we have a QB or not.

I have to unfortunately agree.. I dont want the whole doom and gloom to start up. Well, it already has, but this team needs to do what the Giants did to him and bench him for the best long term interests of the football team moving forward.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:25 PM   #60
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Cheese Warner had a terrible first half, but he came back and played well if the damn D does its job and the Oline could give him a little bit of time we still could have won being down 34-0 that in itself is fairly impressive. In the past or if Leinart were starting the 2nd half do you not think we lose this game 48-7 probally.
I don't think we would have won I think the Jets would have gone after Warner and he'd have fumbled or thrown another pick. Everytime we got in it today either Kurt turned it over, or the D folded. I see no reason to believe Kurt wouldn't have turned it over had the D held.
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