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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:05 AM   #61
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You used the wrong people for your agruement.

Buddy Ryan for his time was considered one of the best defensive cordinator. He was responsible for one of the greatess defensive unit in NFL history. Ryan help revolutize how defenes play.

Green and Ryan have winning records as head coaches.

So yes they are considered some of the best coaches. Not the greatess coaches in the nfl, but some of the best for there time. They just didn't do good for the cardinals.
Somewhere BIM's head just exploded.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:21 AM   #62
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You used the wrong people for your agruement.

Buddy Ryan for his time was considered one of the best defensive cordinator. He was responsible for one of the greatess defensive unit in NFL history. Ryan help revolutize how defenes play.

Green and Ryan have winning records as head coaches.

So yes they are considered some of the best coaches. Not the greatess coaches in the nfl, but some of the best for there time. They just didn't do good for the cardinals.

Yes winning the superbowl does make you one of the better coaches. Grimm has been around superbowls his whole career. He been a superbowl champion as player and as a coach. So that tells everyone that Coach Grimm knows how to win and knows what it takes to get to the superbowl as a player and a coach. He knows how to get the best out of his players.
Maybe Zero thinks Grimm is our head coach.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:34 AM   #63
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Maybe Zero thinks Grimm is our head coach.
Well you seem to think he was the head coach of the Steelers because since he was the OL coach he was responsible for the W/L record. Where I seem to think Grimm is responsible for the play of his OL and not the teams W/L record.

Just like I don't blame Grimm or Whisenhunt for defensive or special teams break downs on the Steelers I don't give them credit for those same things.

The only way to measure an OL is by what they did compared to the rest of the NFL...show me another way, please, I am begging you. Make me believe that Grimm will come in and by his mere presence and coaching prowess will make our OL significantly better.

Being a member of a Super Bowl winning staff does not automatically mean you are the best coach at your position in the NFL. It seems like people here bring that up as the reason that Grimm is guaranteed success in Arizona.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:45 AM   #64
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Make me believe that Grimm will come in and by his mere presence and coaching prowess will make our OL significantly better.

Being a member of a Super Bowl winning staff does not automatically mean you are the best coach at your position in the NFL. It seems like people here bring that up as the reason that Grimm is guaranteed success in Arizona.
Well, I never made either of those claims, so you are asking the wrong person. I merely stated that statistics don't tell the whole story, but apparently that line of thinking is "ignorance".
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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:53 AM   #65
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About Grimm ....

One thing I do remember during the Steelers super bowl run was that the Oline went something like 10 or 11 games in row without a penalty which helped them make the playoffs .... I think a few of them were playoff games ... that is saying something ..
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Old April 9th, 2007, 12:57 PM   #66
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Coaches, in general, get upgraded by people because they coached on a Super Bowl winner. I think that is only natural but i also think it's a mistake. Two coaches who benefitted geatly from being on Super Bowl winning staffs were Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel. Belichick ran that defense and everyone knows it. Crennel, it was hoped, could brings Belichick's winning ways to Cleveland but that obviously hasn't happened and NE's defense hasn't really missed a beat. As for Weis, i think Brady made him more than he made Brady. I don't think Brady has missed a beat either since Weis is gone.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 01:03 PM   #67
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As for Weis, i think Brady made him more than he made Brady. I don't think Brady has missed a beat either since Weis is gone.
Where did Weis go .. ?? isn't he still at ND .. ??
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Where did Weis go .. ?? isn't he still at ND .. ??
Yes, he's still at ND. But, my point was that i think he's overrated.Of course everything about ND is but that's another story. He's probably gotten too much credit because of the success that Tom Brady has had and he parlayed that into being a "savior" at ND when his career there, so far, is following closely to Ty Willingham's who was run out of town. Do you ever notice that when there is a story about Weis he's always showing off his Super Bowl rings? Tom Brady would probably have been successful with Dick Jameison being the OC and Weis greatly parlayed that into "genius" status.
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I changed my mind, I say take Thomas. Everyone can disregard this thread
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Old April 9th, 2007, 02:59 PM   #71
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Yes, he's still at ND. But, my point was that i think he's overrated.Of course everything about ND is but that's another story. He's probably gotten too much credit because of the success that Tom Brady has had and he parlayed that into being a "savior" at ND when his career there, so far, is following closely to Ty Willingham's who was run out of town. Do you ever notice that when there is a story about Weis he's always showing off his Super Bowl rings? Tom Brady would probably have been successful with Dick Jameison being the OC and Weis greatly parlayed that into "genius" status.
Lets see what big Charlie does now without Quinn and with his own players .. he has been riding on Ty's coat tails with the players he had .. but he did coach them up ...

I'm surprised he didn't make the jump to the NFL this year .. I know ND has a poison pill in his contract, but if teams like Atlanta are willing to give BP that kind of money I'm sure they would be willing to buy out a contract ...

Would Weis be successful at the NFL level as HC .. ?? that is the big question ..
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For the record, Weis is going with a two TE, two back set with big FB and 2 different power inside runners this year. The QB front runner is soph Demetrius Jones, a fast and mobile athlete who is a better runner than passer.

ND will run, run and run some more.

Weis says Brady Quinn will be a top three NFL QB within three years. I'll have a Brady Quinn article up by next Monday.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #73
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The QB front runner is soph Demetrius Jones, a fast and mobile athlete who is a better runner than passer.
Which is saying a lot, because DJ can be filthy when it comes to passing. He's the best QB on that roster.
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